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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 27 Sep 21 3.42pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Yes, most sensible posters would agree brexit is either the main problem or part of the problem. If it is just part of the problem, then so far, it has been a failure! In years to come, it might turn in to a positive, or maybe an even bigger failure! As for other countries needing lorry drivers, that is just in a perfect scenario, they don"t have food shortages or fuel stations empty like us. We really are the ass end of europe, and its all our own doing! As a Spanish bloke said to me in Croydon, "its laughable, they voted for this though-now they have fcuked themselves!" "Fcuked themselves indeed," I replied.

Most posters have if you read it back. What is clear is its not ALL the fault of brexit.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 27 Sep 21 3.56pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290

"Marco Digioia, general secretary of the European Road Haulers Association, said: “I expect many drivers will not return to the UK even if the UK Government allows them to. While offering visas to drivers on the continent would be a welcome step, there are many other issues, such as working conditions, pay, and the costs of getting into and working in the UK.”

"Mr Digioia added that “it is not surprising” that the UK is suffering driver shortages.There are two reasons,” he said. “Number one is Brexit, and number two is Covid.

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Edited by Orange1290 (27 Sep 2021 12.34pm)

Of course he would blame Brexit. I have also heard him say, “in my opinion, they will not want to go for 3 months “ Why not? Farm workers come for short periods and go back!

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 27 Sep 21 4.01pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Yes, most sensible posters would agree brexit is either the main problem or part of the problem. If it is just part of the problem, then so far, it has been a failure! In years to come, it might turn in to a positive, or maybe an even bigger failure! As for other countries needing lorry drivers, that is just in a perfect scenario, they don"t have food shortages or fuel stations empty like us. We really are the ass end of europe, and its all our own doing! As a Spanish bloke said to me in Croydon, "its laughable, they voted for this though-now they have fcuked themselves!" "Fcuked themselves indeed," I replied.

It is laughable, and gone is the British reputation as being pragmatic and sensible, more like lacking in judgement and unable to do detail or think things through.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 27 Sep 21 4.02pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I agree - my point was that most people are unwilling to concede even that.

I agree Brexit is part of the reason but I do dispute Orange’s statement that we have forced 25000 to leave. As I said before no one knows the number who have left. If they were living here and registered they could stay.
I appreciate this is talking about a small percentage of people, but when travel restrictions were lifted, a high percentage of passengers arriving at Gatwick were EU nationals returning from their home countries. Most had left due to being furloughed, made redundant during the pandemic and had preferred to sit it out with family at home.

 

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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 27 Sep 21 4.10pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290


There isn't a 'similar' shortage at all. Yes there's a shortage but it's no where near what the UK is experiencing. The UK has a population of 68 million and a HGV driver shortage of 100,000, the EU 27 420 million, that's more than 6 times the population but there isn't a shortage of more than 600,000 drivers in the EU 27. It's actually less than 400,000, that's a factor of 50% less. That difference is due to 'brexit' as the only other differentiating factor and that is a massive difference indeed.



Its also due to the better wages and conditions for drivers in Europe, another differentiating factor....a rather large one

 

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Germany: SPD intends to form coalition with Greens and liberals

Centre-left contender to replace Angela Merkel announces plan for ‘social-ecological-liberal’ alliance.

Change in Germany and the end of an era.

 

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View IMMER PALACE's Profile IMMER PALACE Flag BIELEFELD 27 Sep 21 6.21pm Send a Private Message to IMMER PALACE Add IMMER PALACE as a friend

That may be the end of the dirty coal burning.... then again.

 

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View Orange1290's Profile Orange1290 Flag 27 Sep 21 6.50pm Send a Private Message to Orange1290 Add Orange1290 as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian



Its also due to the better wages and conditions for drivers in Europe, another differentiating factor....a rather large one


Yep agree. I've lived in several European countries and the facilities at highway service stations are on multiple levels above anything in the UK for haulage vehicles. Long term investment and a very well respected industry compared to the continuing short termism for everything in UK, especially short term profit.


Edited by Orange1290 (27 Sep 2021 7.37pm)

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 27 Sep 21 7.05pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

it's a good job they have double trucks, the back one is needed to carry the paperwork.

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 27 Sep 21 7.46pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Most posters have if you read it back. What is clear is its not ALL the fault of brexit.

Yeah,but if only half or a quarter is because of brexit, then brexit has been bad for the country SO FAR!

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 27 Sep 21 7.49pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

It is laughable, and gone is the British reputation as being pragmatic and sensible, more like lacking in judgement and unable to do detail or think things through.

Yes, when our great leader, said he would break international law, on an agreement he signed a few months earlier, in an "oven ready deal", the world laughed!Spot on about the detail, there isn"t any!

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 27 Sep 21 7.51pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290


Yep agree. I've lived in several European countries and the facilities at highway service stations are on multiple levels above anything in the UK for haulage vehicles. Long term investment and a very well respected industry compared to the continuing short termism for everything in UK, especially short term profit.


Edited by Orange1290 (27 Sep 2021 7.37pm)


If you are led by a clown, you get a circus!

 

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