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Originally posted by Matov


Something bloody odd going on with France at this moment. Its clear that there is a centralised effort to not report on how France is experiencing some serious social unrest be it the ongoing effective break down of control in numerous suburbs to the ongoing Yellow Jacket protests and the damage to traffic cameras and so on. Throw in that letter from both retired and serving personel in the French Military and now Barnier, who is a serious politician, to start voicing such sentiments, and it speaks of a nation that is heading for a major crisis.

And it does matter. If France implodes, there is a real potential fall out for the UK.

It's our own misunderstanding of French history to think that this is particularly unusual about France. Even in 'The Day of the Jackal' you get a glimpse of some of this. Then largely Algeria. The military upset with De Gaulle, The Pieds Noir protesting (the French Algerians), I think Le Buerre (I hope I haven't offended by getting this wrong) were mixed race people wanting equal rights in France. A whole lot of protests, violence, bombs, riots, kidnappings - and also political shenanigans, particularly from De Gaulle (who was a nationalist). Those aren't exactly the only times either. Even Sarkozy should be in prison! That's nowhere near the end of the political scandal, but, as you say - we hear little about it. (For an eye opener look into the sports minister and French rugby). France is famously corrupt but seems to have, wrongly, thrown off that perception recently.
My reasoning for hearing so little is the pro EU press. The EU is performing badly in loads of ways - vaccines and lockdown the latest. France is the EU. But it's obviously not in our interest to hear about that. Look at the headlines with any Boris gaffe - they pounce on that. Yet, we have the EU gasping for air, searching for scapegoats and struggling to survive. Not a hint of it in the press. Ask your average EU citizen how they are finding life currently. Massive undercurrent of discontent EU wide. Even the Irish grudgingly think Britain is performing much better than they are. Of course, the news won't tell you that though.

 


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Originally posted by Orange1290

Barnier is talking about non-EU migration, which has nothing to do with 'brexit' as that was all to do with EU migration. In fact the UK has had more immigration from outside the EU every year since EU membership that migration from within the EU. The terrorism events in the UK were cause by mostly British citizens not EU expats. You seem desperate to twist anything into an anti-EU agenda and even stoop low enough to post a link from a right wing, racist media channel such as the Express, who is anti-EU in every way. Must try harder, 1 out of 10.

Edited by Orange1290 (12 May 2021 11.15am)

What I have always found amusing about EU migration figures is that, when EU passengers arrived in the UK, they were not counted, not asked why they were entering, so impossible to quote true figures. If the figures are based on those registering with the HO, they are worthless as a high percentage never bothered to do that.

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Originally posted by Spiderman

What I have always found amusing about EU migration figures is that, when EU passengers arrived in the UK, they were not counted, not asked why they were entering, so impossible to quote true figures. If the figures are based on those registering with the HO, they are worthless as a high percentage never bothered to do that.

Edited by Spiderman (13 May 2021 9.19am)


Well, that's simply inefficiencies in the UK HO and immigration services, border 'controls'. Even as an EU citizen, moving from one country to another legally requires registering with the local immigration office after being there for 90 days. There are stiff penalties for not doing that and they can be retrospective and punitive. Why didn't the UK look at the many successful immigration services within the EU that enforce this requirement on a regular basis, learn from it and implement it? I've been through the registration process in 7 EU countries already, it's quite simple to do and makes sense. You get an ID card that's a requirement in doing almost anything, renting an apartment, buying a car, opening a bank account etc. It stops a lot of fraud and theft in these transactions. It's a very good system but no one can force a country to enforce it and if they don't then they suffer the consequences.


Edited by Orange1290 (13 May 2021 10.32am)

 


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Originally posted by Orange1290


Well, that's simply inefficiencies in the UK HO and immigration services, border 'controls'. Even as an EU citizen, moving from one country to another legally requires registering with the local immigration office after being there for 90 days. There are stiff penalties for not doing that and they can be retrospective and punitive. Why didn't the UK look at the many successful immigration services within the EU that enforce this requirement on a regular basis, learn from it and implement it? I've been through the registration process in 7 EU countries already, it's quite simple to do and makes sense. You get an ID card that's a requirement in doing almost anything, renting an apartment, buying a car, opening a bank account etc. It stops a lot of fraud and theft in these transactions. It's a very good system but no one can force a country to enforce it and if they don't then they suffer the consequences.


Edited by Orange1290 (13 May 2021 10.32am)

I agree the Immigration system has been lacking with regard to EU nationals, possibly incompetence stemming from incompetent senior management, perhaps successive UK Governments have not wanted true numbers to be recorded?It has always been a requirement but never followed up. Having said that with no details being collected on arrival (freedom of movement) impossible to locate. An element of this depends on the EU citizen being prepared to “play by the rules”. I know nothing about your situation but if you had travelled from one EU country to another, you would not have gone through Immigration checks, so your new host country presumably would not know of your presence and relied upon you registering yourself? You played by the rules, many dont

 

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Originally posted by Spiderman

I agree the Immigration system has been lacking with regard to EU nationals, possibly incompetence stemming from incompetent senior management, perhaps successive UK Governments have not wanted true numbers to be recorded?It has always been a requirement but never followed up. Having said that with no details being collected on arrival (freedom of movement) impossible to locate. An element of this depends on the EU citizen being prepared to “play by the rules”. I know nothing about your situation but if you had travelled from one EU country to another, you would not have gone through Immigration checks, so your new host country presumably would not know of your presence and relied upon you registering yourself? You played by the rules, many dont

Well, you won't get very far in doing anything unless you register. Take Portugal for example, where I registered for a fiscal number last year. It's free, you go into the nearest office, show your passport/Id, existing address in your existing country of residence and some proof like a utility bill in your name. It's nothing to do with taxation. However, to rent a property, buy a property, buy a car, open a bank account, in fact do pretty much anything, you'll be asked for you fiscal number document. Sure, if you want to live totally out of society you could skip this but that will be a very tiny minority of people. The vast majority will need this. Once you get it, they know who you are, where you've come from and the date you applied. This isn't done at immigration but as and when you need it, which for anyone moving to Portugal is normally the first thing you go and get. Many EU countries have similar or variants of this. The UK should have done this decades ago.

 


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Originally posted by Orange1290

Well, you won't get very far in doing anything unless you register. Take Portugal for example, where I registered for a fiscal number last year. It's free, you go into the nearest office, show your passport/Id, existing address in your existing country of residence and some proof like a utility bill in your name. It's nothing to do with taxation. However, to rent a property, buy a property, buy a car, open a bank account, in fact do pretty much anything, you'll be asked for you fiscal number document. Sure, if you want to live totally out of society you could skip this but that will be a very tiny minority of people. The vast majority will need this. Once you get it, they know who you are, where you've come from and the date you applied. This isn't done at immigration but as and when you need it, which for anyone moving to Portugal is normally the first thing you go and get. Many EU countries have similar or variants of this. The UK should have done this decades ago.

Yes they should. In the U.K. a production of an EU passport or national ID card has sufficed. My son shared a house with an EU National and that is all that was needed. Why the U.K. has never done this is open to debate, but don’t underestimate the influence of the HR brigade!
With regard to EU National ID cards, as these are the most abused documents used to attempt to gain entry (especially the very poor quality old Italian ones), in my view they should never have been used for any form of identification purposes

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Originally posted by Spiderman

What I have always found amusing about EU migration figures is that, when EU passengers arrived in the UK, they were not counted, not asked why they were entering, so impossible to quote true figures. If the figures are based on those registering with the HO, they are worthless as a high percentage never bothered to do that.

Edited by Spiderman (13 May 2021 9.19am)

Britain was just trying to have EU Freedom of Movement in its truest form. All the other states should be ashamed of themselves for building a wall of bureaucracy. UK: Champions of free movement.

 


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Originally posted by Spiderman

Yes they should. In the U.K. a production of an EU passport or national ID card has sufficed. My son shared a house with an EU National and that is all that was needed. Why the U.K. has never done this is open to debate, but don’t underestimate the influence of the HR brigade!
With regard to EU National ID cards, as these are the most abused documents used to attempt to gain entry (especially the very poor quality old Italian ones), in my view they should never have been used for any form of identification purposes

Edited by Spiderman (13 May 2021 11.23am)


The tech moved on some time ago. All of my EU id cards are biometric and contain a chip, as good if not better than most passports.

 


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Originally posted by Orange1290


The tech moved on some time ago. All of my EU id cards are biometric and contain a chip, as good if not better than most passports.

I am well aware of that but old style Italian ID cards can still be used until they are eventually phased out. These type of cards should never have been used for ID purposes was my point.
Agreed the new ID cards are very good, but obviously do not have so many security safeguards as most passports

 

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Originally posted by ASCPFC

Britain was just trying to have EU Freedom of Movement in its truest form. All the other states should be ashamed of themselves for building a wall of bureaucracy. UK: Champions of free movement.

I think there may be an element of truth in what you say

 

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Originally posted by Spiderman

I think there may be an element of truth in what you say


Why? Simply because member countries of the EU can still exercise their sovereign rights? Freedom of movement works very well. I've moved several times for living and working and traveled within the EU every week for work, seamlessly. Sure there are checks and that's also good but these are either random or based on intelligence. I remember immigration police boarding a train I was on traveling from Germany to Netherlands. They discovered an Asian guy without a Schengen visa traveling from Germany to Amsterdam for a flight. His visa was only for Germany. They took him off at the next station Netherlands and sent him back to Germany. Seen the checks many times, once traveling by car across the French/Belgian border, 2am in the morning and there were many border/immigration officers. Got stopped, fully document checked asked where I was coming from, going to, car was searched etc. Most times the border is empty but you never know when you'll get checked, works well for little inconvenience but checks there are unlike what many seem to think, mostly serviced by the SIS.


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Originally posted by Orange1290


Why? Simply because member countries of the EU can still exercise their sovereign rights? Freedom of movement works very well. I've moved several times for living and working and traveled within the EU every week for work, seamlessly. Sure there are checks and that's also good but these are either random or based on intelligence. I remember immigration police boarding a train I was on traveling from Germany to Netherlands. They discovered an Asian guy without a Schengen visa traveling from Germany to Amsterdam for a flight. His visa was only for Germany. They took him off at the next station Netherlands and sent him back to Germany. Seen the checks many times, once traveling by car across the French/Belgian border, 2am in the morning and there were many border/immigration officers. Got stopped, fully document checked asked where I was coming from, going to, car was searched etc. Most times the border is empty but you never know when you'll get checked, works well for little inconvenience but checks there are unlike what many seem to think, mostly serviced by the SIS.


Edited by Orange1290 (13 May 2021 12.12pm)

I am only commenting from my first hand experience of working at border Control. Strict instructions from Senior Management not to interview arriving EU nationals ( unless intel suggested otherwise), Was this the right approach? Not in my eyes but there again, the queues at the border would have been out of control, if every EU national had been interviewed in depth and we know what people think of border control queues don’t we!
Strange though that thousands can travel through Western Europe to Calais with no documentation

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