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Originally posted by BlueJay

I'd say that OJ was close enough to power for it to count - in that the average black person is more likely to be locked up for nothing crimes stateside, rather than get away with anything. The Robert Durst case is another example of how if you're rich and connected, unless you basically admit to it, you can repeatedly and brazenly get away with being criminal and murderous [Link]

Edited by BlueJay (12 Aug 2021 1.25am)

Interesting case, and money can certainly blind justice....though from his wiki it seems in his case the blindfold will be coming off.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Back when I was younger and had more mental energy after work I would occasionally do deep dives into various conspiracies to decide for myself whether I believed them or not.....Some I found held water, most didn't....Obviously I looked into 9/11.

9/11 is probably the single event that has the most theories, varying from energy weapons and holographic and abducted planes to thermite blown buildings.

My conclusion after looking into it was that the official narrative is true except for pre knowledge of foreign intelligence agencies and domestic intelligence failures....they tried to memory hole information on foreign agencies and only partly acknowledged their domestic intelligence failures.....which fore-shadowed their later internal changes.

The explanation for building 7 is ably explained by Myles Powers in this video.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Aug 2021 1.06am)

Myles has fallen slightly short of debunking it for me, Stirl.
But I watched it.
Decent effort.

 

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Originally posted by Lombardinho

Myles has fallen slightly short of debunking it for me, Stirl.
But I watched it.
Decent effort.

After watching it what reminds the issue with 7?

 


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Biden's first week in office saw him cancel the US pipeline, which would have given them energy independence.

A year later with prices rising significantly along with inflation generally, in part due to frankly irrational policies.......he begs the middle east to pump more oil to increase supply.

At what point does incompetence become a kind of evil? In so much as those who can't escape stupid policies are unable to escape their affects.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Aug 2021 2.28pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

After watching it what reminds the issue with 7?

Apologies if you've already read it, but this article resonates with me more...

[Link]

...however, I am aware that I'm probably more open to deep state skullduggery than most!

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 12 Aug 21 3.14pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Biden's first week in office saw him cancel the US pipeline, which would have given them energy independence.

A year later with prices rising significantly along with inflation generally, in part due to frankly irrational policies.......he begs the middle east to pump more oil to increase supply.

At what point does incompetence become a kind of evil? In so much as those who can't escape stupid policies are unable to escape their affects.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Aug 2021 2.28pm)

It's just been redirected to his son's mouth.

 

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Originally posted by Lombardinho

Apologies if you've already read it, but this article resonates with me more...

[Link]

...however, I am aware that I'm probably more open to deep state skullduggery than most!


In the article the claim is made that, 'no steel and concrete building has ever been completely levelled to the ground, (collapsed) by a minor fire, in the history of steel and concrete buildings. Neither before September 11, 2001 or since then.'.

Now back in the day when I was looking in 9/11 I checked this out and it's quite misleading. Firstly there have been many collapses both partial and some what could be described as effectively fully from the effects of fire.

That's the problem with a lot of 9/11 claims, they are half truths that don't stand up once you look into it with an open mind.

A full collapse example from fire can include the Plasco building and probably the most famous partial collapse is the Windsor tower collapse.

[Link]
[Link]

Many of the buildings that were partial would have eventually been full if they hadn't been worked on by fire brigades.

Also, the size of the building matters due to stress on weakening steel that is just left. The nature of 9/11 meant that these buildings were just left to burn.

Steel weakens significantly at half the temperature required to melt it......if it's being tasked with holding up god knows how many thousands of tons like the towers and wtc 7 then it just makes sense that it's going to eventually fail unless the temperature is kept within limits.

Much of the strutural evidence is covered by Powers in his video.

A lot of the conspiracy issues can be answered by what happened that day. I hear a lot of 'this has never happened before' when the reality is planes that size and fires that extensive never happened to buildings constructed like that before.......The WTC towers just weren't made to survive what happened to them.....the new buildings are.

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


In the article the claim is made that, 'no steel and concrete building has ever been completely levelled to the ground, (collapsed) by a minor fire, in the history of steel and concrete buildings. Neither before September 11, 2001 or since then.'.

Now back in the day when I was looking in 9/11 I checked this out and it's quite misleading. Firstly there have been many collapses both partial and some what could be described as effectively fully from the effects of fire.

That's the problem with a lot of 9/11 claims, they are half truths that don't stand up once you look into it with an open mind.

A full collapse example from fire can include the Plasco building and probably the most famous partial collapse is the Windsor tower collapse.

[Link]
[Link]

Many of the buildings that were partial would have eventually been full if they hadn't been worked on by fire brigades.

Also, the size of the building matters due to stress on weakening steel that is just left. The nature of 9/11 meant that these buildings were just left to burn.

Steel weakens significantly at half the temperature required to melt it......if it's being tasked with holding up god knows how many thousands of tons like the towers and wtc 7 then it just makes sense that it's going to eventually fail unless the temperature is kept within limits.

Much of the strutural evidence is covered by Powers in his video.

A lot of the conspiracy issues can be answered by what happened that day. I hear a lot of 'this has never happened before' when the reality is planes that size and fires that extensive never happened to buildings constructed like that before.......The WTC towers just weren't made to survive what happened to them.....the new buildings are.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Aug 2021 4.46pm)

To a degree they had been built to withstand an aeroplane strike. Factors not considered were that planes evolve and the ones that struck the towers were much bigger than the calcs allowed.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

To a degree they had been built to withstand an aeroplane strike. Factors not considered were that planes evolve and the ones that struck the towers were much bigger than the calcs allowed.

Certainly.

When we look at what happened that day I think it becomes an exercise in the physical realities of that much fuel dumped into that much space all at once at that height with the building's particular construction being extremely relevant.

If we explore the alternatives of what needs to happen for a controlled demotion or thermite....because no explosive was found for that....it just becomes unrealistic.

This was a one off situation and a lot of skeptics on it compare it to other situations....when the comparison doesn't really fit the physical inputs of that unusual situation.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Aug 2021 7.42pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


In the article the claim is made that, 'no steel and concrete building has ever been completely levelled to the ground, (collapsed) by a minor fire, in the history of steel and concrete buildings. Neither before September 11, 2001 or since then.'.

Now back in the day when I was looking in 9/11 I checked this out and it's quite misleading. Firstly there have been many collapses both partial and some what could be described as effectively fully from the effects of fire.

That's the problem with a lot of 9/11 claims, they are half truths that don't stand up once you look into it with an open mind.

A full collapse example from fire can include the Plasco building and probably the most famous partial collapse is the Windsor tower collapse.

[Link]
[Link]

Many of the buildings that were partial would have eventually been full if they hadn't been worked on by fire brigades.

Also, the size of the building matters due to stress on weakening steel that is just left. The nature of 9/11 meant that these buildings were just left to burn.

Steel weakens significantly at half the temperature required to melt it......if it's being tasked with holding up god knows how many thousands of tons like the towers and wtc 7 then it just makes sense that it's going to eventually fail unless the temperature is kept within limits.

Much of the strutural evidence is covered by Powers in his video.

A lot of the conspiracy issues can be answered by what happened that day. I hear a lot of 'this has never happened before' when the reality is planes that size and fires that extensive never happened to buildings constructed like that before.......The WTC towers just weren't made to survive what happened to them.....the new buildings are.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Aug 2021 4.46pm)

Nah.
Sorry, Stirling.
You can throw complexities of physics and temperatures at it, if you like.
But I won't be changing my mind about this anytime soon, I'm afraid.
When everything gets stripped away, you'll find the Bush Family and Mr.Silverstein are not the kind of people you can trust.

 

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Originally posted by Lombardinho

Nah.
Sorry, Stirling.
You can throw complexities of physics and temperatures at it, if you like.
But I won't be changing my mind about this anytime soon, I'm afraid.
When everything gets stripped away, you'll find the Bush Family and Mr.Silverstein are not the kind of people you can trust.

Don't get me wrong I have no issues with your mistrust of these people.

Though when you look into what actually happened and what would be required to pull of a domestic attack.....it isn't really possible in my view.

I know certain agencies knew because we have evidence for it.

 


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As you lot speculate on what happened in New York on September 11th, the reaction it spurred in terms of the invasion of Afghanistan and the removal of the Taleban is probably going to lead to, and potentially on the 20th anniversary of the heinous events, concluding with the Taleban back in charge of Kabul.

Over 500 British lives, and numerous more injured and maimed, along with thousands of our allies also dying, for what? Sweet f*** All. Apart from a load of arms manufacturers getting richer and no doubt another migrant crisis as Afghans decide, and with perfect justification, to get the hell out of dodge and seek out a better life abroad.

I believe that September 11th happened because a small group of maniacs hijacked 4 airliners and then flew 3 of them into buildings whilst the 4th crashed after its passangers rebelled.

But why this current f***-up has been allowed to play out is the real conspiracy. The US capitulating to a load of f***-heads in flip-flops and driving around on motor-bikes.

I do hate to lecture but seriously, if you want to don the tin-foil hats, focus on this. Because we are all being screwed over big time.

Over 500 British service personnel dead for nothing. Absolutely wasted lives. And now, unreal barbarity about to engulf millions once more.

Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan. All massive f*** ups. And for what? Who gains from this s***?

Edited by Matov (12 Aug 2021 10.05pm)

 


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