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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 05 Jan 22 10.28pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

The generals might not have supported Trump, but with Congress suspended and rioting spreading (as is suggested was planned) would they disobey their Commander-in-Chief? At the very least that would have pre-emptied a constitutional crisis. That's why we need to find out the whole truth. We must make sure it cannot happen again.

Are you kidding?....General Milly was in contact with the Chinese telling them he wouldn't obey the Commander-in-Chief in certain scenarios.....literally committing treason.

If the Republicans win in 2024 it's pretty nailed on that if Milly is alive...and let's hope he is....He will be stripped and he's going to be court marshalled.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Jan 22 10.34pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The video of this killing rips apart the idea that there is some doubt as to whether she should have been shot. Here in this video you get one scene of this murder at roughly 18 seconds in...it's hard to find on Youtube now as the leftists try to memory hole it.

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What we saw was the justice of the Democrats.....not actual justice.

She presented no threat. To justify her killing as a reasonable action would have justified shooting everyone who entered that building....it's indefensible in my view.

Also, it's unethical to imply that later deaths were a result of January 6th.

There is zero evidence for it and that suggestion is nothing more than BlueAnon.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jan 2022 9.37pm)

No-one "should" ever be shot unless another life is in imminent danger. Did the guard sincerely believe his was? I am not inside his mind any more than anyone else. What I do know is that he faced an unprecedented, terrifying situation which I would not have wanted to be involved in. How I would have reacted I cannot know. That no-one else got shot is testimony to the very considerable patience and fortitude shown by the staff that day, some of whom were nothing less than heroic in the way they handled the mob. Rather than focus on the fact that this lady was a victim of the decision to break in, which she participated in, maybe we should celebrate the fact that she was the only one, due to the quality of those they threatened.

The later deaths were no co-incidence. To suggest they are stretches incredulity beyond reasonable limits.

The events speak for themselves. They don't need a theory to be built around them. They just need to be investigated to reveal what triggered them.

 

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And so we travel down the road ahead.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Jan 22 10.46pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, I support Trump being as difficult as possible.

That's precisely how the Democrats treated him so they don't deserve anything else. They have nothing but ill intent for thim and anyone who has read your posts on Trump knows that's your position as well.

In my view for the US system to stand any chance of coming together both parties probably need a near total clear out of leaderships and severe restrictions on lobbying and funding.....On that aspect I think Obama was right.

The days of consensus are way way in the past now and it's two different political languages.

But a clear out isn't going to happen so this is the path we travel down....So in keeping with the utter contemptuous behaviour of the Democrats during Trump's presidency I fully support him being as difficult as he wants.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jan 2022 10.19pm)

The Democrats did NOTHING to Trump. Not a thing. That kind of assertion is typical of an indoctrinated Trumpkin.

He was investigated by a special investigator of the Justice Department. He is now being investigated by a Congressional Committee. He was impeached by a Congressional vote. That's all, every last bit of it, by the representatives of the people.

Trump being difficult cannot be defended if the truth is going to be revealed and we cannot move forward unless, and until, it is.

This obsession with blaming everything on the Democrats and not seeing Trump as the dangerous non politician he is, is shameful to witness in the UK. That the GOP is still running scared of him is what needs to be criticised.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Jan 22 10.55pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Are you kidding?....General Milly was in contact with the Chinese telling them he wouldn't obey the Commander-in-Chief in certain scenarios.....literally committing treason.

If the Republicans win in 2024 it's pretty nailed on that if Milly is alive...and let's hope he is....He will be stripped and he's going to be court marshalled.

I presume General Milley is the actual target here. That assertion is a wild over statement. Another conspiracy theory.

It was his job to maintain contact with the Chinese to reassure them on international developments. That's not just normal, it's essential.

It doesn't mean he was telling them he wouldn't obey orders, or that he wouldn't if and when such a time came.

If Trump declared he needed military assistance in keeping civil order I can imagine some difficult conversations with the Generals, threats of resignation and even actual resignations. But not a refusal to obey.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Walls are expensive, inefficient relics of yesterday's solutions to problems like this. They are the simplistic answer of simple men to a complex problem.

Walls can be by-passed. Unless you also build watch towers with armed guards ready to shoot they can be climbed, tunnelled under or flown over. Routes by sea work too, as we know only too well.

The long term solution is, as it is for us too, to remove the desire. No-one wants to leave their home, pay shed loads of money to traffickers for an uncertain outcome. So cure whatever is creating the desire, alongside opening legal routes for those you want and firm policies of removal for those you don't.

Why not remove the border and welcome as many migrants as want to go? There are only 130,000,000 people in Mexico and some of them will want to stay. Or increase the GDP in Mexico to equal that of the US - might cost a bit more than a wall though.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No-one was murdered during the riot. Unfortunately deaths occurred. One a rioter who lost her life when a security man opened fire when facing the mob. She shouldn't have been there. Whether he should have fired is a matter for debate but was arguably self-defence. It certainly wasn't murder. Policemen died later.

The video of this killing rips apart the idea that there is some doubt as to whether she should have been shot. Here in this video you get one scene of this murder at roughly 18 seconds in...it's hard to find on Youtube now as the leftists try to memory hole it.

[Link]

What we saw was the justice of the Democrats.....not actual justice.

She presented no threat. To justify her killing as a reasonable action would have justified shooting everyone who entered that building....it's indefensible in my view.

Also, it's unethical to imply that later deaths were a result of January 6th.

There is zero evidence for it and that suggestion is nothing more than BlueAnon.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jan 2022 9.37pm)

Lest this aspect be forgot

The Capitol assault resulted in one of the worst days of injuries for law enforcement in the United States since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. About 140 officers 73 from the Capitol Police and 65 from the Metropolitan Police Department in Washington were injured, the departments have said. They ranged from bruises and lacerations to more serious damage such as concussions, rib fractures, burns and even a mild heart attack.

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Lest this aspect be forgot

The Capitol assault resulted in one of the worst days of injuries for law enforcement in the United States since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. About 140 officers 73 from the Capitol Police and 65 from the Metropolitan Police Department in Washington were injured, the departments have said. They ranged from bruises and lacerations to more serious damage such as concussions, rib fractures, burns and even a mild heart attack.

Interesting that you don't have any injury figures inflicted on the protestors by the Capitol Police.

However, if anyone went out to violently attack Police that day I don't have any issues with proportional action taken.

Once again, that gun death is ignored.

However, all this concern was very absent from Democrats and their supporters for Police for the 18 months prior.....where they continually attacked their reputation and in major cases reduced their funding, plus criminally they released the criminals they arrested back onto the streets.

While all this happened I heard not a peep from those who post now.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jan 2022 11.25pm)

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I presume General Milley is the actual target here. That assertion is a wild over statement. Another conspiracy theory.

It was his job to maintain contact with the Chinese to reassure them on international developments. That's not just normal, it's essential.

It doesn't mean he was telling them he wouldn't obey orders, or that he wouldn't if and when such a time came.

If Trump declared he needed military assistance in keeping civil order I can imagine some difficult conversations with the Generals, threats of resignation and even actual resignations. But not a refusal to obey.

Other than the last paragraph, none of what you say here, is a true representation according to Woodward's revelations....oh hang on you said they wouldn't have refused to obey....Nope that's wrong...again, according to Woodward on what Milley did and said.

Come a Republican victory in 2024, justice will be served.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jan 2022 11.37pm)

 


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Originally posted by nead1

Exactly right; by the way some congratulations are in order - you continue to post complete and utter sense which is such a huge contrast to much of what tends to be peddled on this site in the political arena.

Thank you, although apparently you lending support to common sense makes you "far left".

I guess that means majority opinion in the UK is now "far left"! Who would have ever thought that?

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Thank you, although apparently you lending support to common sense makes you "far left".

I guess that means majority opinion in the UK is now "far left"! Who would have ever thought that?

Left, far left...that's the only support you get on here.

A site you willingly come to and yet a site you have criticised many times...despite it allowing you to do so....unlike as is afforded on the bbs....a site where you viewpoints are supported.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Other than the last paragraph, none of what you say here, is a true representation according to Woodward's revelations....oh hang on you said they wouldn't have refused to obey....Nope that's wrong...again, according to Woodward on what Milley did and said.

Come a Republican victory in 2024, justice will be served.


Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jan 2022 11.37pm)

We'll see. Apparently there were 15 people in the room during the call, so there will be plenty of evidence of what was said, and its context. Just because a famous journalist includes a selected quote in a book doesn't tell us anything very much.

What is much more relevant is the statement made by the Generals in the aftermath of the Jan 6th riot. Including General Milley.

"As we have done throughout our history, the U.S. military will obey lawful orders from civilian leadership, support civilian authorities to protect lives and property, ensure public safety in accordance with the law, and remain fully committed to protecting and defending the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

It's an interesting statement, isn't it? It is strong on being lawful, and domestic enemies.

They wouldn't refuse lawful orders, but would Trump be able to issue any in those circumstances?

I guess we can all be relieved we didn't need to find out. As I said earlier the most likely consequence was a constitutional crisis.

 

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