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| W12 26 Apr 22 11.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't know how old you are, but I spent the first half of my life with a Tory Party that might have been traditional, but also had morals and standards of what being in public life meant. That was a one Nation party. I respected that Party and voted for it many times. Thatcher destroyed some of that respect, even if there were things she did that were absolutely necessary. It was Thatcher who, in my opinion, and with hindsight, started us on the course which brought us to where we are today. Her "there's no such thing as society", privatisation of essential national assets and the selling off of council houses, can now be seen as the precursors of many of today's ills. What did you manage to conserve?
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 Stirlingsays  27 Apr 22 12.00am |
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Originally posted by W12
What did you manage to conserve? He loves and promotes change. It's why he moved to Cornwall.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Apr 22 9.11am |
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Originally posted by W12
What did you manage to conserve? My morals, values and sense of right and wrong.
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| georgenorman 27 Apr 22 9.15am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't know how old you are, but I spent the first half of my life with a Tory Party that might have been traditional, but also had morals and standards of what being in public life meant. That was a one Nation party. I respected that Party and voted for it many times. Thatcher destroyed some of that respect, even if there were things she did that were absolutely necessary. It was Thatcher who, in my opinion, and with hindsight, started us on the course which brought us to where we are today. Her "there's no such thing as society", privatisation of essential national assets and the selling off of council houses, can now be seen as the precursors of many of today's ills. I'm probably about the same age as you.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Apr 22 9.19am |
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I do neither. I accept change when it has already happened, or is inevitable. Pushing water up hill, or pontificating in places where everyone else has moved on from, is just wasting energy that is better employed adjusting what you can actually adjust. I won't explain, again, why I actually moved here. Your tedious repetition of stupid assertions, which only demonstrate your own prejudices, bore me. Along with everyone else, I suspect.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Apr 22 9.42am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I'm probably about the same age as you. I am 77. I am certainly not in tune with the current manifestation of the Conservative Party which, since it decided to appeal to the prejudices of the traditional Labour voters in the north, has become a populist party. Which is something I detest. My hope is that it returns to its own traditional values of fiscal responsibility mixed with social awareness. I was never really comfortable with Labour. Depending as it does on the financial backing of the big unions means the people don't have the power. As soon as someone like Ken McCluskey, starts talking about Labour members being his delegates, my trust is gone. It was better under Blair, who managed to loosen their grip, but it has regressed since. I flirted with the SDP when it first emerged, but they are hardly a force today. Nor are the Liberals. We desperately need a new strong party of the centre, but that won't happen unless someone very wealthy finds a way to fund its establishment. The realistic option is for the Tories to be soundly beaten in the council elections, and then the next GE, and then enough of them choosing to move back to the centre, possibly governing via a grand coalition with the right wing of Labour. We'll see.
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| georgenorman 27 Apr 22 10.01am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am 77. I am certainly not in tune with the current manifestation of the Conservative Party which, since it decided to appeal to the prejudices of the traditional Labour voters in the north, has become a populist party. Which is something I detest. My hope is that it returns to its own traditional values of fiscal responsibility mixed with social awareness. I was never really comfortable with Labour. Depending as it does on the financial backing of the big unions means the people don't have the power. As soon as someone like Ken McCluskey, starts talking about Labour members being his delegates, my trust is gone. It was better under Blair, who managed to loosen their grip, but it has regressed since. I flirted with the SDP when it first emerged, but they are hardly a force today. Nor are the Liberals. We desperately need a new strong party of the centre, but that won't happen unless someone very wealthy finds a way to fund its establishment. The realistic option is for the Tories to be soundly beaten in the council elections, and then the next GE, and then enough of them choosing to move back to the centre, possibly governing via a grand coalition with the right wing of Labour. We'll see. Yet you consistently support the position of left-liberals on every issue.
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| Stirlingsays 27 Apr 22 11.20am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
My morals, values and sense of right and wrong. That must have been what pulled you into marketing.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Apr 22 12.13pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Yet you consistently support the position of left-liberals on every issue. Not in any way do I support "left" politics. Liberal I would accept as being liberal indicates a sense of compassion and tolerance. I see absolutely no conflict between the politics of those in the Tory party I regard, and admire, as "one-nation" Conservatives and a liberal attitude.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Apr 22 12.19pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
That must have been what pulled you into marketing. When you get a fixed idea in your head, it remains as solid as a rock, doesn't it? Despite patient explanations about the honourable role in society of sales and marketing professionals, you still regard them as con merchants. It's little wonder you struggle to understand change, let alone accept it.
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| georgenorman 27 Apr 22 12.45pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not in any way do I support "left" politics. Liberal I would accept as being liberal indicates a sense of compassion and tolerance. I see absolutely no conflict between the politics of those in the Tory party I regard, and admire, as "one-nation" Conservatives and a liberal attitude. I think I dislike the Liberal Party more than any other.
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| Stirlingsays 27 Apr 22 12.54pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
When you get a fixed idea in your head, it remains as solid as a rock, doesn't it? Despite patient explanations about the honourable role in society of sales and marketing professionals, you still regard them as con merchants. It's little wonder you struggle to understand change, let alone accept it.
I wouldn't use the words 'con merchants' but it is certainly a profession primed for those not adverse to lying.....the manipulation of language doesn't change the smell of bullsh1t.
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