You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > Letís celebrate the left
June 13 2021 12.11am

Letís celebrate the left

Previous Topic | Next Topic


Page 4 of 14 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 >

 

View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 25 Jan 21 10.06am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

At the risk of being a bore and repeating myself, can you find a word other than "left". Do you honestly think a dyed in the wool Marxist lifelong union type (ie actual left) has any association with any of this inclusivity/woke/gender identity etc. BS?

How about MCME?

(Middle Class Metropolitan Elite. The last word is ironic)

That's a valid point. Problem is that for anybody to reach any kind of meaningful leadership position within almost any and every left-leaning organisation they are required to subscribe to the Progressive Lefts vision on an entire range of subjects. Trade Unions are the prime example of this now, along with HR departments across the board.

I always think that a very strong and alternative Left-wing voice that could perhaps rally the more traditional left-wing elements would be Paul Embury. Always been impressed whenever I have heard him speak and whilst I do not agree with his stance on economics, and therefore would struggle to vote for him, I do think he is perhaps one of the few authentic voices left for the traditional working-class Labour voter/supporter.

The problem for the Left, in general, is that Labour is simply not fit for purpose anymore in our first past the post electoral system. Under a PR system that would have split into two ages ago but as things stand, offer the only real left-wing voice that means anything in terms of achieving power but with such huge contradictions at work within it causing it effectively to surrender what it is really meant to be.

It has lost its core identity and with an activist base at such odds with its traditional voter base in many Northern seats, a political institution in terrible trouble.

Edited by Matov (25 Jan 2021 10.12am)

 


In 1967, when Polish mercenary Rafal Ganowicz was asked what it felt like to take human life, replied: "I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 25 Jan 21 7.37pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

That's a valid point. Problem is that for anybody to reach any kind of meaningful leadership position within almost any and every left-leaning organisation they are required to subscribe to the Progressive Lefts vision on an entire range of subjects. Trade Unions are the prime example of this now, along with HR departments across the board.

I always think that a very strong and alternative Left-wing voice that could perhaps rally the more traditional left-wing elements would be Paul Embury. Always been impressed whenever I have heard him speak and whilst I do not agree with his stance on economics, and therefore would struggle to vote for him, I do think he is perhaps one of the few authentic voices left for the traditional working-class Labour voter/supporter.

The problem for the Left, in general, is that Labour is simply not fit for purpose anymore in our first past the post electoral system. Under a PR system that would have split into two ages ago but as things stand, offer the only real left-wing voice that means anything in terms of achieving power but with such huge contradictions at work within it causing it effectively to surrender what it is really meant to be.

It has lost its core identity and with an activist base at such odds with its traditional voter base in many Northern seats, a political institution in terrible trouble.

Edited by Matov (25 Jan 2021 10.12am)

I am no lefty as I do not hold with socialism; but the new progressive left repulses me even more for the very reasons you give.

As my posts make clear, while I support much in traditional front bench conservative politics (not the back bench right who currently hold the reigns), I am also no right winger.

I feel like a colour searching in vain for a mast to pin to. And, I suspect, I am not alone.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 25 Jan 21 8.22pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It is of course a fair point, there is always a spectrum that exists within any group and labels can be very general.

Every group has sub groups and many people sit on different places on the spectrums within them.

If I were to describe a description of the left that could be entirely accurate for all its sub groups it would be people who believe in equality and egalitarianism: If I'm wrong it's an honest mistake.

It doesn't mean that all within the left always agree with how it's current leaders interpret equality and egalitarianism.

I hear you.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Jan 2021 8.40pm)

Just as a point of interest while there are significant quarters of the right who do not favour equality but wish to see resources diverted away from eg foreigners does much of the right not also aim for these goals save through a different route? Thus the left essentially seek to achieve this through state control and collective intervention. The right through individual enterprise with very limited collective action.

I am of course not saying what occurs in practice.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 27 Jan 21 11.35am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

The Left is a mask for Feminism.

Putting single mothers into council houses and men onto the streets.

 


from the Etihad, Emirates, Molyneux, London Stadium, the Vitality, turf moor & Anfield to Old Trafford x 2.....or a neighbourly visit to Craven Cottage...Raptors on the Road

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 27 Jan 21 12.09pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

I thought you might have her trussed up and gagged!

How did you find my website?

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View syd snot's Profile syd snot Flag munich 27 Jan 21 12.12pm Send a Private Message to syd snot Add syd snot as a friend

Thank the lord for her snd people like her.
Lets face it we all need a good belly laugh in these troubled times.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 27 Jan 21 3.34pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

How did you find my website?

Just a hunch mate, just a hunch!

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 28 Jan 21 2.09pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend


Lefties......welfare junkies, losers, open border multiculturalists, and trouble-makers in the workplace.

wanna pay high taxes ? vote for a Lefty

 


from the Etihad, Emirates, Molyneux, London Stadium, the Vitality, turf moor & Anfield to Old Trafford x 2.....or a neighbourly visit to Craven Cottage...Raptors on the Road

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 28 Jan 21 2.13pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

[Link]

...... another 'ism' to add to the list.

 


Pro USA & Israel

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Jan 21 2.22pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

[Link]

...... another 'ism' to add to the list.

Hereís another. Bollockism.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 28 Jan 21 2.23pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Hereís another. Bollockism.

 


Pro USA & Israel

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Jan 21 2.26pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio


Lefties......welfare junkies, losers, open border multiculturalists, and trouble-makers in the workplace.

wanna pay high taxes ? vote for a Lefty

Those who define themselves by Left and Right seem like the difference between coffee and tea drinkers.
Tell a coffee drinker you donít like coffee and theyíll probably shrug and say itís your choice. Tell a tea drinker you donít like tea and there will be an outraged defence of itís loveliness and complete dismissal of your preference. Your choice as to which is which.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply

 

Page 4 of 14 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 >

Previous Topic | Next Topic

You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > Letís celebrate the left