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Originally posted by Glazier#1

Money not my God either, I can assure you, Cryrst.

I work as a lecturer in an FE college and have had to watch as more and more staff get trimmed, pushing the workload onto the remaining staff.

The level of stress in the job is immense as we are teaching the students who didn't make it to uni, are more kinaesthetically minded. In my subject, English, there are those who just don't want to do it and many will refuse, try to be disruptive and even violent in the process: all part of the job.

Control in the classroom is a challenge, I can assure you again.

As a lecturer, I trained in order to be able to teach: it's a highly - specialised profession yet many lecturers are now employed on a 'sessional' basis ie zero-hours contracts so they're only paid for their time in front of students. All the other, vital, work like prep, marking etc is not paid. That's being employed, essentially, on a casual basis, without the benefits of salaried staff.

Now, there are those who say (maybe you are one of them) 'well, you don't go into teaching for the money' and that is true-to a certain extent.

I'm afraid, though, that we've reached the point where it seems that the piss is being taken.

We carry out an very valuable role in teaching young adults as they prepare for the world of work. The College says they cannot give us more money because 'We are a business and would go into debt'. A business. Yet their funding comes, to a great extent, from the state and that funding has got less and less in real terms over the years and that means the colleges themselves are between a rock and a hard place.

Meanwhile, many of the students I teach have parents who do, indeed, go out and seek other jobs. Some have two or three but are still unable to cope financially; I really feel for them, working their butts off like honest citizens but finding themselves in the state they're in.

Yet, for all that, I don't despise other workers for taking industrial action. Wages in this country are being driven down further and further and I don't think that's fair. It's not like the workforce over the last 10 years has been militant; far from it. I think they've been very patient.

Most worrying is that, before long, young people who are the future of teaching will be saying: "Nah, what's the point of doing that as a profession? I'll find another job to look for", as you suggest, and the young students of this country, the country's future, in essence, are the ones that are affected.

Edited by Glazier#1 (01 Sep 2022 10.44am)

I'm in a similar role. My current main problem is refugees and completely unrealistic expectations. We do a 14 week Barista course. A refugee who will go unnamed wanted the Barrister course. Can't speak English buts wants to be a QC in 14 weeks. You can't make it up.
I don't have much disruption currently as I don't follow procedures and get rid of them from my classes. Moral so low - I'm not the only one who couldn't care less if I were fired.
The CEO will not speak to me after I slated him, hilarious.
My satisfaction of helping has gone and my wages are a pittance. The building is falling apart. We're lucky to have pens.

Anybody asks - no f***ing way be a teacher. No way is it worth it.

I can't wait for the day no one will do it. The lazy teacher stereotype is comical. What job pays you for twenty hours but you do fifty? The mind boggles. When I add up my hours and time, I'm just above minimum wage - maybe 15 an hour. Why go to college for that? I'm well off as I've always worked so doubt I will last much longer. I will just be the latest number in a teaching crisis that will effect every parent in the country. All across the world too - check out Australia, Canada, the US. A political football for too long. Always the scapegoats - never asked or consulted about anything. Seriously, it's like Communist Russia but with less facilities than Siberia.

 


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Originally posted by silvertop

Sweden has an issue with far right, intolerance and racial disharmony.

It is also something of an over-bearing Big Brother country and a few people I now who tried to settle there came back.


A formerly socially cohesive country at ease with itself now has real problems.....I wonder just why that could be?

Sweden would certainly have experienced far less rapes wouldn't it.

Perhaps we should reflect that those that want to live in diverse societies should go find them and live in them. Rather than change formerly content ones without specifically asking first.

I tend to find that, of those who want mass immigration, few of them tend to stay and live in those highly diverse areas or move to them. Instead, what is usually the case is that they move to nice affluent safe areas.

Diversity for thee, not for me.

Once someone has looked at this topic for some time it's quite easy to come to obvious conclusions.....though nice polite society prefers to censor them.

It prefers safe lies to inconvenient truths.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

A formerly socially cohesive country at ease with itself now has real problems.....I wonder just why that could be?

Sweden would certainly have experienced far less rapes wouldn't it.

Perhaps we should reflect that those that want to live in diverse societies should go find them and live in them. Rather than change formerly content ones without specifically asking first.

I tend to find that, of those who want mass immigration, few of them tend to stay and live in those highly diverse areas or move to them. Instead, what is usually the case is that they move to nice affluent safe areas.

Diversity for thee, not for me.

Once someone has looked at this topic for some time it's quite easy to come to obvious conclusions.....though nice polite society prefers to censor them.

It prefers safe lies to inconvenient truths.

Surely you mean they love the highly multi cultural area they live in but unfortunately they has to move to a mainly white middle class area because (insert name of elderly relative or Emma Thompson and mum) is getting on and needs to be cared for.

 


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Originally posted by ASCPFC

I'm in a similar role. My current main problem is refugees and completely unrealistic expectations. We do a 14 week Barista course. A refugee who will go unnamed wanted the Barrister course. Can't speak English buts wants to be a QC in 14 weeks. You can't make it up.
I don't have much disruption currently as I don't follow procedures and get rid of them from my classes. Moral so low - I'm not the only one who couldn't care less if I were fired.
The CEO will not speak to me after I slated him, hilarious.
My satisfaction of helping has gone and my wages are a pittance. The building is falling apart. We're lucky to have pens.

Anybody asks - no f***ing way be a teacher. No way is it worth it.

I can't wait for the day no one will do it. The lazy teacher stereotype is comical. What job pays you for twenty hours but you do fifty? The mind boggles. When I add up my hours and time, I'm just above minimum wage - maybe 15 an hour. Why go to college for that? I'm well off as I've always worked so doubt I will last much longer. I will just be the latest number in a teaching crisis that will effect every parent in the country. All across the world too - check out Australia, Canada, the US. A political football for too long. Always the scapegoats - never asked or consulted about anything. Seriously, it's like Communist Russia but with less facilities than Siberia.

Yeah. "Bloody teachers: start work at 9, leave at 3, all those effing holidays and all they do is moan."

Familiar?

Yet, during the pandemic, after the first lockdown, when it was announced that schools would re-open and kids go back, you could almost hear a cheer all around the country.
All those who had slagged teachers off had suddenly realised how skilled a job it is to teach the young mind.

When we did go back, I had to regularly run the gauntlet, walking down crowded corridors of students to get to my class room, many of them refusing to wear masks.

Came across one group of lads - brickies- none wearing masks. when I asked them to put them on: "Don't see the f***ing point" one said and all his mates nodded.

A week later (9th Dec) I was flat-packed in my bed and very seriously ill. Totally fuxcked. Couldn't return to work until Feb and even then just knocked out. Infected my wife and daughter, too.

I wish that effing student had seen me. Then he would've seen the point.

But hey. Bloody teachers, eh? Always whining. Lol

Don't deserve anything. Why can't they be happy with 1.5% to reward them and be happy. Always bloody whining.

 

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Originally posted by Glazier#1

Yeah. "Bloody teachers: start work at 9, leave at 3, all those effing holidays and all they do is moan."

Familiar?

Yet, during the pandemic, after the first lockdown, when it was announced that schools would re-open and kids go back, you could almost hear a cheer all around the country.
All those who had slagged teachers off had suddenly realised how skilled a job it is to teach the young mind.

When we did go back, I had to regularly run the gauntlet, walking down crowded corridors of students to get to my class room, many of them refusing to wear masks.

Came across one group of lads - brickies- none wearing masks. when I asked them to put them on: "Don't see the f***ing point" one said and all his mates nodded.

A week later (9th Dec) I was flat-packed in my bed and very seriously ill. Totally fuxcked. Couldn't return to work until Feb and even then just knocked out. Infected my wife and daughter, too.

I wish that effing student had seen me. Then he would've seen the point.

But hey. Bloody teachers, eh? Always whining. Lol

Don't deserve anything. Why can't they be happy with 1.5% to reward them and be happy. Always bloody whining.


You actually think you wouldn't have caught covid if everyone was wearing a mask? You were going to catch it regardless.

What are you teaching PE? Humanities?

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Surely you mean they love the highly multi cultural area they live in but unfortunately they has to move to a mainly white middle class area because (insert name of elderly relative or Emma Thompson and mum) is getting on and needs to be cared for.

Yep, the number of times I've heard excuses like that.

Not for us, my Mum was mugged, sister beaten up and when I was put in A&E by a posse (lucky to get out of it alive) my old man decided enough was enough.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


You actually think you wouldn't have caught covid if everyone was wearing a mask? You were going to catch it regardless.

What are you teaching PE? Humanities?

No, that's the point.

All the classes who were training in their specific skills (building trades, hairdressing, catering etc) would study their own subjects together in a 'bubble, their own work shops: they didn't mix with other groups.

Except when it came to my subject, English (and maths too). When they studied English or maths, all the 'bubbles mixed together in my classroom and while they were waiting outside before the lesson started.

On that corridor and in those classrooms were the only times when the different groups joined together.

 

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Originally posted by Glazier#1

No, that's the point.

All the classes who were training in their specific skills (building trades, hairdressing, catering etc) would study their own subjects together in a 'bubble, their own work shops: they didn't mix with other groups.

Except when it came to my subject, English (and maths too). When they studied English or maths, all the 'bubbles mixed together in my classroom and while they were waiting outside before the lesson started.

On that corridor and in those classrooms were the only times when the different groups joined together.

That 'effing' student was right.

You thinking that you could avoid catching covid, especially as a teacher by students...in the main wearing predominantly cheap cloth over their mouths is mistaken. Masks, made a marginal if any difference.

In fact, it makes far more sense for most of them to catch the bloody thing as quickly as possible (as no doubt happened) and become immune.

But regardless, you were going to catch it, whether that was at school or elsewhere.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Sep 2022 2.42pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That 'effing' student was right.

You thinking that you could avoid catching covid, especially as a teacher by students...in the main wearing predominantly cheap cloth over their mouths is mistaken. Masks, made a marginal if any difference.

In fact, it makes far more sense for most of them to catch the bloody thing as quickly as possible (as no doubt happened) and become immune.

But regardless, you were going to catch it, whether that was at school or elsewhere.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Sep 2022 2.42pm)

There is often a confusion isn't there were some people like to pinpoint exactly whom/where they caught the virus from.

I was very much under the impression you could go to Palace now, nearly 25,000+ people, all with differing levels of vaccination, drunk, hugging, singing in close vicinity and be fine but go to the supermarket where you pick something up that a triple (or is it quadruple?) vaccinated person who is completely asymptomatic handled an hour earlier and get it then?

At least we got to live in a very real Orwellian nightmare for a couple of years.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That 'effing' student was right.

You thinking that you could avoid catching covid, especially as a teacher by students...in the main wearing predominantly cheap cloth over their mouths is mistaken. Masks, made a marginal if any difference.

In fact, it makes far more sense for most of them to catch the bloody thing as quickly as possible (as no doubt happened) and become immune.

But regardless, you were going to catch it, whether that was at school or elsewhere.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Sep 2022 2.42pm)

Yes, they did catch it, were asymptomatic and passed it on to each other and anyone else, young or old.

I certainly wasn't going to catch it during lock down when I wasn't mixing. when I was told I had to return to college, I had to go and could well have died as a result. Still, I suppose I should stop whining like a snowflake.

But I sense there will always be people who advocate that we should've just let it run riot and have done. I'm not one of them and would rather not get into that debate, if you'll excuse me.

Edited by Glazier#1 (01 Sep 2022 3.03pm)

 

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Originally posted by Glazier#1

Yes, they did catch it, were asymptomatic and passed it on to each other and anyone else, young or old.

I certainly wasn't going to catch it during lock down when I wasn't mixing. when I was told I had to return to college, I had to go and could well have died as a result. Still, I suppose I should stop whining like a snowflake.

But I sense there will always be people who advocate that we should've just let it run riot and have done. I'm not one of them and would rather not get into that debate, if you'll excuse me.

Edited by Glazier#1 (01 Sep 2022 3.03pm)

I'm not saying that I'm happy about it but your assumption of my attitude is mostly correct (outside of care homes and hospitals).

I will respect your desire to not debate it.

God knows the debate went on long enough on the appropriate thread.

 


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Originally posted by Nicholas91

There is often a confusion isn't there were some people like to pinpoint exactly whom/where they caught the virus from.

I was very much under the impression you could go to Palace now, nearly 25,000+ people, all with differing levels of vaccination, drunk, hugging, singing in close vicinity and be fine but go to the supermarket where you pick something up that a triple (or is it quadruple?) vaccinated person who is completely asymptomatic handled an hour earlier and get it then?

At least we got to live in a very real Orwellian nightmare for a couple of years.

It never really made much sense did it.

I mean half of the workforce had to carry on regardless....they bet the house on slowing infection down with the idea that respiratory vaccines, designed within a year, would be a silver bullet (when that type of vaccine never has been)

Like most policies in the modern day it was primarily driven by emotion and that feminine obsession with safety at all costs...even costs we can't afford.

Pretty much the only sensible thing Johnson said was at the start (which had been decades old pandemic policy)....but within a week they had got to him.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Sep 2022 3.24pm)

 


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