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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 13 Jan 23 10.02am Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Because we lose free will when information is obscured. Do keep up.

I can only think you didn't understand my question.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 13 Jan 23 10.31am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

You left out the 2014 World Cup.

And all the other world cups

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 13 Jan 23 10.39am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

What grinds my gears on this is not the actions here themselves but rather the inspiration or driving force behind it and therefore general tone.

I still maintain this is not a racial thing at all, it's a cultural thing which has little to do with ethnicity and more to do with the empowerment of failures today. It's people who have little else to hang an identity they can take pride in on and therefore seen as an 'easy win' to martyr themselves or acquire some sort of status within this community. Doesn't matter whether you come from a 'BAME' background or some white kid who was bullied at school, it's the same sentiment and we see the whole spectrum of these types.

There's a difference between objectively looking to review the narrative to provide a factual and balanced representation of somebody and just attacking whomever you can as you think this validates your existence. I can't be the only one who was told 'stop moaning' as a youngster (particularly on the football pitch for me, often around the criticism of the belief in 'throwing the ball down the line' - why???) but I understand why as an adult even if I didn't then.

Slavery was an awful, truly unimaginable by today's society, part of history however it is part of history, aligned to many cultures, geographical regions and peoples. That should be acknowledged. I'm not saying we have to deify such people but to try and remove them from history for a fault assigned to them by the standards of today when their initial place was due to their achievements and contributions to build the society we now have is quite unbalanced and ungrateful IMHO. It's a bit like a child, whether biological or adopted, attacking a parent who provided them a fantastic life, and an inheritance to live well now, on the basis they were 'a bit of a prick at work' after scrutinising their biography. I also think to claim outrage, injustice and social reform off the back of the suffering of others is quite repugnant too. There's plenty of people, from all walks of life and backgrounds, who can and may acknowledge these things but for whom actually building something with their own lives is far more important than tearing down others. That needs to be acknowledged for balance too.

I do understand the 'attack on British heritage' stance, even if I don't think it's as cut and dry to be completely labelled as that. If there was a well intended and balanced approach perhaps rename after somebody, from a plentiful lot to choose from, who did contribute to British and World history with a cleaner record instead of a couple trees out front? There would appear to be no intention to do that however, it is solely for many to enjoy the most arrogant possible belief: that they as individuals are ushering in some sort of Utopia as they are the very best a human can and ever has been and therefore have the right to set the world straight. A world they've probably contributed little to I will add.


Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Greta moans on about our generation ruining her life but twas ever thus.

Back in the seventies and eighties people made decisions about all sorts of things which today have a negative impact on our lives because they didn't know.

We stopped coal mining and the left complained bitterly today the left complain when you want to start coal mining.

Context is everything, I wonder when they talk about slavery do they put it in the context of the time e.g. in this country a handful of people got rich as for the rest, infant mortality, poor life expectancy grinding poverty child labour etc.

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Jan 23 11.01am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

It is also notable what happened to the British sailors during and after the engagement. Left to rot on ships riven with disease. Eventually sent home, mostly sick, with no pay. That is a major part of the real history. Airbrushed out as an inconvenient truth.

Probably the most shameful part of it. Elizabeth I a terrible skinflint.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 13 Jan 23 11.10am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Probably the most shameful part of it. Elizabeth I a terrible skinflint.


I'm shocked (not really) are you suggesting our monarchy is tight around a pound note?

Maybe someone on here might like to write a book "People who have been knocked by the royal family" it will be a big book

 


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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 13 Jan 23 11.16am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Greta moans on about our generation ruining her life but twas ever thus.

Back in the seventies and eighties people made decisions about all sorts of things which today have a negative impact on our lives because they didn't know.

We stopped coal mining and the left complained bitterly today the left complain when you want to start coal mining.

Context is everything, I wonder when they talk about slavery do they put it in the context of the time e.g. in this country a handful of people got rich as for the rest, infant mortality, poor life expectancy grinding poverty child labour etc.

"Each generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it." [Orwell]

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 13 Jan 23 11.43am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

"Each generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it." [Orwell]

If I knew back in the seventies what I know now I would be richer than Elon Musk.

 


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 13 Jan 23 12.26pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

My point about bbs was that, without knowing anything about a poster, if you voted leave you area racist bigot, , they would have those views whatever. Does it bother me? No, I am happy with who I am.
Is Brexit doing fine, no but I never expected it to be all roses initially and fully expected some years of ď turmoilĒ, so I am not trying to convince myself on anything
What I will say EDN, whilst we are obviously poles apart politically, on any football related threads we seem to be on the same page. Surely that is more important!,

Edited by Spiderman (12 Jan 2023 6.00pm)

Edited by Spiderman (12 Jan 2023 6.01pm)

You're absolutely right Spider and I enjoy many of your contributions to Palace talk

What we think on Brexit is all rather unimportant!

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 13 Jan 23 12.30pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

EU sceptics were literally being told this for decades.

I remember being told on Hol, long before Brexit was a thing, that people like me were 'foaming at the month and swivel eyed' over the EU.....Oh and by the way I'm very happy about Brexit and not being a part of that insane globalist project.....though in reality the leaders have just completely ignored large aspects of Brexit and just carried on.

The point you made here was literally the same point leavers were making from the day Britain joined the EU......and what you are complaining about is literally what we were faced with.

I bet you never gave a fig about it when the shoe was on the other foot.


Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jan 2023 7.15pm)

Well I wasn't alive, so no I didn't.

I don't care what other people said to you - it was a stupid point then, and it's a stupid point now.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 13 Jan 23 12.39pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

If I knew back in the seventies what I know now I would be richer than Elon Musk.

He's estimated to be worth about 180 billion less than he was. He could've invested that in CPFC. It would still be gone but he'd have made Eagles everywhere very happy.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 13 Jan 23 12.50pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

You're absolutely right Spider and I enjoy many of your contributions to Palace talk

What we think on Brexit is all rather unimportant!

Wow

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 13 Jan 23 12.56pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Well I wasn't alive, so no I didn't.

I don't care what other people said to you - it was a stupid point then, and it's a stupid point now.

If you were really bothered by stupidity you wouldn't be interested in politics.

 


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