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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Sutton Coldfield 19 Feb 21 2.38pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

My view,for what is is worth,and I am cerebrally challenged, is that the squad has its limitations and that another manager could not suddenly get them to perform with much greater aplomb.

I appreciate that this viewpoint does not resonate with many on HOL but the smorgasbord of opinions is all part of it's rich tapestry.


For what it's worth, it resonates with me Willo. Squad strength is always relative as it has to be compared with the strengths of the squads one is battling against. Ours is not strong on that comparison (and certainly not with the current injury setbacks). I don't believe there is a manager out there who would do significantly better with the squad we currently have, although, there may be some who could break through the apparent negative defeatism our squad has when Zaha is not playing. It is that area in which it seems to me Hodgson is failing. The absence of Zaha may well require a very different formation in order to get the best from the players on the pitch. Let's face it, Zaha is irreplaceable in our squad, so when he's not available we may well need to set up differently.

 

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View bicycle repair man's Profile bicycle repair man 19 Feb 21 2.42pm Send a Private Message to bicycle repair man Add bicycle repair man as a friend

Luka, Bats, Benteke, Dann, Cahill , PVA are all no longer good enough for the Premier League.
That's not Roy's fault, but these players have to be replaced ASAP.
With the squad we have we are in a realistic place in the league.

 

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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 19 Feb 21 2.44pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Excusing "everything else"? What is this "everything else" you are talking about? He delivered our highest ever points tally in the Premier League.

I'm not blaming Gary Cahill for the fact we're not challenging for Europe. For the most part, he's actually been very good. I'm saying that having your first choice centre back as a 35 year old who can barely run anymore, in the top flight of English football, is a pretty good indicator of the level of squad you have. Relatively speaking, ours is not very good. That's the point.

You, like the vast majority of the Roy out mob, are talking out of your arse at this point mate. It's become a cult. Criticise the bloke by all means but calling for his head is ridiculous and will achieve nothing.

Chelsea have a 36 year old centre back and are expected to challenge for the title so not that much of a great indicator.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 19 Feb 21 2.44pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

The most worrying aspect has been the seeming lack of motivation. This statement goes a bit too far but is perhaps necessary. None of us want to bend over and get thrashed by Brighton. A similar level of performance to Burnley will not be acceptable. I suspect this will make the players at least discuss the issue.
I don't have that much faith in them being fired up though. Luka does not seem captain material, Wilf seems our most fired up player. We have no Paddy or Damo or Jedi anymore. My own opinion is that Roy is not into the motivation side of football either, judging by the vast majority of our performances since last season.
Perhaps this letter from the fanatics will get the team to at least try? If we really give it a go and still lose, fair enough. But if we go through the motions and lose badly, I dread to think of the reaction. I suspect that there would at least be a discussion with Steve, the team and Roy.

Could this be connected to the 13 contracts ending with uncertainty over futures - some of whom may end their careers in a few months?

Tough to motivate such a player, especially where they may be effectively undroppable with current injuries.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 19 Feb 21 2.49pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by GujiMadDog


Unfortunately, With a shrug of the shoulders, I'm inclined to agree. My glass of vodka has been half empty for some time now.

Get it down your neck and pour another

 

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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 19 Feb 21 3.00pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Get it down your neck and pour another

Dont tell him that, i know & seen what he's like when he's had a few(or 12)

love you Samir, honest

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Feb 21 3.04pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Could this be connected to the 13 contracts ending with uncertainty over futures - some of whom may end their careers in a few months?

Tough to motivate such a player, especially where they may be effectively undroppable with current injuries.

I expect it could in a couple of ways. For example, if the players were happy they would renew. I've heard that there are players not renewing as they don't want to. I also heard Mitchell wouldn't sign a new contract. PVA will not sign, although offered. I don't know about the others. Perhaps one or two will renew but normally this would already have happened. I have to wonder is there general unhappiness amongst the squad - hence not renewing?
To cut to the chase, there is no way we would purposely release 10 plus players. There is no way we will replace them. Even 5 players seems a stretch to us. This smells of something going on.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 19 Feb 21 3.15pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I think that the concern among many is not about results but rather the way we are playing. The last 18 months (maybe more) we have been on a downward spiral where gradually all entertainment is being sucked out and the sole aim seems to be grinding out points by whatever means. There are plenty of excuses for this such as a lack of investment and an ageing squad, but for the first time in the PL it feels like we have far more points than we've deserved, and that worries me.

I want Roy to turn things around, but he seems short on ideas and often comes across as resigned to defeat once we go behind. I doubt Roy paid too much attention to the banner or the letter and his response suggested he is clueless as to what our real concerns are (he seemed to imply it was just based on the last couple of performances). I can understand why people still support Roy based on where we are with limited investment, but I can't really see how anyone can say they've enjoyed the football, because it has quite frankly been sh!t.


Agree with this.

 

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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 19 Feb 21 3.16pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Has been a big worry for me. I'd also say look at the Utd game earlier in the season, yes they were poor but we looked well up for it, caught them snapping and beat them with a few goals on their own ground. I haven't witnessed much of that of late and it's immediately disheartening when it looks as though the opposition want it more as soon as we start playing, much more. The odds are already massively against you.

Another one I’m fully in agreement with.

 

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View AERO's Profile AERO Flag 19 Feb 21 3.25pm Send a Private Message to AERO Add AERO as a friend

Going back to players coming to the end of there contracts,and probably there last decent pay day.Cynicle as it seems they would probably have more chance of getting extended deals albeit at lower terms if we get relegated and will have a bit more leverage,but if we stay up ? would think the club would be able to dictate terms to a certain degree .Cynical I know ?

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 19 Feb 21 3.36pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by AERO

Going back to players coming to the end of there contracts,and probably there last decent pay day.Cynicle as it seems they would probably have more chance of getting extended deals albeit at lower terms if we get relegated and will have a bit more leverage,but if we stay up ? would think the club would be able to dictate terms to a certain degree .Cynical I know ?

Not at all. I'd be cynical to suggest that last season when our form was poor and folk were (as now) suggesting that we could fall into the relegation zone, suddenly and as if by miracle the players strung together a set of results that ensured PL survival for another season and yet rather than continue that good form go on to lose 7 in a row -Nothing to do with relegation triggering contractual clauses and a collective pulling up of socks. Not cynical at all.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (19 Feb 2021 4.24pm)

 

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View iheartcpfc's Profile iheartcpfc Flag SE25 19 Feb 21 5.14pm Send a Private Message to iheartcpfc Add iheartcpfc as a friend

Originally posted by Swindy

'I disagree. They have the heart and gumption to make a stand and would certainly be fans in the Championship'

Sorry, don't recall too much of their flag waving on a cold Tuesday night in the Championship in the Holloway play off season !!

This is bulls***.

Why do people like to lie about these kind of things? The HF were there when we were s***, they're here now, they'll be here when we go down. To pretend otherwise is embarrassing.

 

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