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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 17 Mar 21 7.48am Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by Goal Machine

With Zaha playing as a striker now and Townsend getting on, there is only Eze which is hardly Ďfierceí competition seeing as there are two wings. No idea who are our attacking midfielders are.

The article is a worry if this is how he feels. Iím sure heís not the only one. Now is the perfect time to try out a youngster or two. If theyíre not ready, it will be a good experience and help their development. It at least shows the others that itís possible to get to the first team and will keep them motivated.

We know from previous seasons that Roy will stick with his usual lineup. Apart from about £2m in prize money which really is small fry, it makes no difference if we finish 9th or 15th. Blooding youngsters is a better long term investment.

I agree with you on this I'd rather see us play Metata and come 14th then play Beneteke and come 9th. In a usual season if would be good even just for expereince and to help get a reputation for playing youth.
The u18s are top of the premier league south so wonder if they will make winning that a priority , first year in that league might help us attract more good young players and even potential get decent loans out in the championship for the youngsters next year.

 


One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 17 Mar 21 8.51am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Ketteridge

Because it is not going to happen to every youth player, some will make the choice that their development is best served by going somewhere they are more likely to get first team experience, gutting for us but their decision. Going to Germany seems popular at the moment but not every player is going that way. To be honest if you are an up and coming star at Millwall or Charlton academy and you get an offer at the Cat 1 Palace you are likely to take it , but rising starlet seek future in Beckenham isnít going to make a great story except for the South London Press, we will nick players as well and the cat 1 academy makes us more attractive.
The investment in the academy is so that we increase the chances of getting the next AWB or Zaha or so the likes of Emile Smith-Rowe joins Palace academy rather the Arsenal.
As has been said before considering how many good players have come from South London we have been missing out, if we can gain a reputation for playing youngster even better and having the academy makes that more likely but not guaranteed.

Your last sentence sums it up. Many are saying the academy is everything, our future, whereas in reality it might not produce anyone that we will actually play because we have a plethora of 30 year olds who are a Ďsafe pair of handsí and we canít risk playing youngsters. Itís a sad indictment of the mindset the club are in where they must, at all costs, stay in the PL which inevitably dictates the line up of the team.

Having a first class academy is all well and good but if there is no clearly visible pathway from youth to the first team or if the player simply refuses to sign a professional contract, then they will be free to leave and the most Palace will get is a training compensation fee of I think around £150,000/£175,000. So these players will only start to create decent income for us if we can filter them into the team and start to showcase them.

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 17 Mar 21 9.13am Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

The gulf between reserves and first team, is enormous there is no guarantee that this lad will make it. We pinched the lad from Chelsea so he has no loyalty to us and will do what he thinks is best for himself.

Some clubs have dropped their academies as they don't think they are worth it. Another poster (maybe different thread) has pointed out that our players currently on loan are not distinguishing themselves (yet) in the lower leagues.

A while ago I posted an article about the youngest players to debut for each PL club. From memory most of them either flopped or had careers at lower league clubs so it's not a Palace problem as such.


The statistics say that about 1% who enter any football academy at any age go on to make to professional, at any level and only 180 of the 1.5 million who play organised youth football will go on to make a career in football. If this player was that good a host of PL would be lining up to sign him and there would be no need to go abroad!

Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and accept that you will lose players just like PVA who will walk out on us at the end of the season.

Edited by Badger11 (17 Mar 2021 7.49am)

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Online Flag Ware 17 Mar 21 9.30am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Your last sentence sums it up. Many are saying the academy is everything, our future, whereas in reality it might not produce anyone that we will actually play because we have a plethora of 30 year olds who are a Ďsafe pair of handsí and we canít risk playing youngsters. Itís a sad indictment of the mindset the club are in where they must, at all costs, stay in the PL which inevitably dictates the line up of the team.

Having a first class academy is all well and good but if there is no clearly visible pathway from youth to the first team or if the player simply refuses to sign a professional contract, then they will be free to leave and the most Palace will get is a training compensation fee of I think around £150,000/£175,000. So these players will only start to create decent income for us if we can filter them into the team and start to showcase them.

Just having a first class Academy is a step in the right direction.
We are a club, who at present appear to be all about scraping their way to safety where relegation would devastate their business plans.
There is little point in playing youngsters for the sake of it if it threatens this. The Manager must have confidence that he can blood these youngsters safely. For whatever reason, RH does not have this. The current performances of our 'Out On loan' players, mentioned previously, are not a good look. and would suggest that simply they are not up to Prem standards.
What I would like to see, however, is when a youngster gets on the bench, to give him 10 mins here and there where possible. This never seems to happen, which also paints RH in a bad light.

It's better to have an academy and not use it - selling on the prospects if there's no way through here. at Some point we'll use it, and they'll be there. If it pays for itself, whats the harm?

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 17 Mar 21 9.31am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Let's imagine for a moment that the academy has been running for a few years, and has a mix of average, decent, and potentially exceptional talent. Let's also imagine that the first team is also settled. It becomes obvious that not every academy player is going to break through.
If this lad wants off then bye bye, too good for Chelsea, too good for Palace, better luck elsewhere.

 

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View BelfastEagle's Profile BelfastEagle Flag 17 Mar 21 9.34am Send a Private Message to BelfastEagle Add BelfastEagle as a friend

Perhaps he should have chat with a certain Mr Bostock about what can happen.

 

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View brides's Profile brides Flag Arnside . South lakes 17 Mar 21 9.40am Send a Private Message to brides Add brides as a friend

Its always greener on the other side,our is it Remember Bostock? Look what happened to him.

I have been a great believer in bring youth on and not sticking with aging players,

 

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View AERO's Profile AERO Online Flag 17 Mar 21 9.57am Send a Private Message to AERO Add AERO as a friend

He is not the first youngster to do this or will be the last. I am sure and would hope that we have learnt from the Bostock situation where as we get decent compensation at least. Some youngsters develop later, ie Ian Wright and some don't improve as much as they should.So would not lose any sleep over it.

 

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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Let's imagine for a moment that the academy has been running for a few years, and has a mix of average, decent, and potentially exceptional talent. Let's also imagine that the first team is also settled. It becomes obvious that not every academy player is going to break through.
If this lad wants off then bye bye, too good for Chelsea, too good for Palace, better luck elsewhere.

this is how academies work.If you have 1 or 2 world class left backs in your first team, and then another coming through the academy... He has to be something special at 18, or something horrific happen to the players standing in his way for him to get a chance at your club. so regardless of how good he might be, they will likely move on.

you need to be The right talent at the right time.


 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 17 Mar 21 10.08am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by BelfastEagle

Perhaps he should have chat with a certain Mr Bostock about what can happen.

I don't hold to the myth that if Bostock had stayed with us he would have become a regular first team player and possibly even a great player.

It didn't work out at Spurs but he had plenty of opportunities elsewhere and has never been more than a 2nd or 3rd tier player.

Yes maybe he would have knuckled down we will never know. Patrick Bamford is a good example of a player who failed at Palace and Norwich but he found his way at boro and Leeds and has proved his point. Bostock could have done that but didn't.

Edited by Badger11 (17 Mar 2021 10.08am)

 


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View aashman12's Profile aashman12 Flag 17 Mar 21 11.47am Send a Private Message to aashman12 Add aashman12 as a friend

Originally posted by glaziermart

One of our brightest prospects from this brilliant under 18's team we currently have might turn down a professional contract from us to instead go to Germany. Apparently he is worried he may not be able to break into the first team quickly under dinosaur Hodgson. I'm sick and tired of the Roy in brigade. Lets have another couple of years with snooze fest Roy ball, not bringing any youngsters through, but hey ho why not give another contract to that crock Wickham!!! who won't play for another two years!!! I tell you something, if Hodgson gets another year, i'm done with football until he retires.

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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 17 Mar 21 12.18pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Your last sentence sums it up. Many are saying the academy is everything, our future, whereas in reality it might not produce anyone that we will actually play because we have a plethora of 30 year olds who are a Ďsafe pair of handsí and we canít risk playing youngsters. Itís a sad indictment of the mindset the club are in where they must, at all costs, stay in the PL which inevitably dictates the line up of the team.

Having a first class academy is all well and good but if there is no clearly visible pathway from youth to the first team or if the player simply refuses to sign a professional contract, then they will be free to leave and the most Palace will get is a training compensation fee of I think around £150,000/£175,000. So these players will only start to create decent income for us if we can filter them into the team and start to showcase them.

Of course it is not guaranteed, not much in football can be guaranteed. You could spend £50m and get Rhian Brewster and Aaron Ramsdale and the sack.
Since promotion our model has been to sign largely overlooked older players with a bit of nous and experience, the simple fact is that type of player is cheaper then a youngster that has a good couple of season in the championship. We could have spent £20m on Maupay or picked up Ayew for £5m, £20m on Webster at Brighton or Cahill on a free. As I have said before we donít have the money to throw at it so if we spend money for us it is better to do that on known products with high wages then lesser-known quantities with lower wages but high transfer fees.
Where there has been players of enough quality they have been given their chance, that has been AWB and Mitchell, if we were overlooking players that were premier league ready then where are they? Where are the ex Palace players the ones we have overlooked tearing up trees in the championship? Boateng, Innes Lokilo Sullay Kai Kai and bless him Johnny Williams
Are they Sitting on the bench at Tranmere and Plymouth, being kept out of the team by Kyle Lafferty? When I say this and I hope that Kirby, Woods, etc come good but they are not premier league ready.
It is not guaranteed, and it is not a silver bullet for all our problems, but it is going towards ensuring that we can compete and become sustainable as a bigger club. At times we will be gutted that are youngest hasnít signed a contract even more so if he goes to Germany and comes back a £40m player but others times we will laugh as we pick apart Charltonís academy and pay a pittance in compensation for a good prospect.

 


One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

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