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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 17 Mar 21 4.02pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Perhaps we need to distinguish between youngsters who were with us in the U23s and U18s before we gained Academy status (or it became known we were applying for it) and those who have come in since. Those currently out on loan in the lower leagues (which includes a U23 striker at National League, Torquay!) are players who fit the former category. A number of promising players have joined since last season, including Reece Hannam, who has been on the first team bench for the last 4 games as cover for PvA in Mitchell's absence even though both Schlupp and Riedewald could fill the LB position if required.

To put it in a nutshell, we are now attracting a better quality of youngster and that should provide dividends in future years especially if we can remain in the PL.

 

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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 17 Mar 21 4.17pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by Ketteridge

Of course it is not guaranteed, not much in football can be guaranteed. You could spend £50m and get Rhian Brewster and Aaron Ramsdale and the sack.
Since promotion our model has been to sign largely overlooked older players with a bit of nous and experience, the simple fact is that type of player is cheaper then a youngster that has a good couple of season in the championship. We could have spent £20m on Maupay or picked up Ayew for £5m, £20m on Webster at Brighton or Cahill on a free. As I have said before we don’t have the money to throw at it so if we spend money for us it is better to do that on known products with high wages then lesser-known quantities with lower wages but high transfer fees.
Where there has been players of enough quality they have been given their chance, that has been AWB and Mitchell, if we were overlooking players that were premier league ready then where are they? Where are the ex Palace players the ones we have overlooked tearing up trees in the championship? Boateng, Innes Lokilo Sullay Kai Kai and bless him Johnny Williams
Are they Sitting on the bench at Tranmere and Plymouth, being kept out of the team by Kyle Lafferty? When I say this and I hope that Kirby, Woods, etc come good but they are not premier league ready.
It is not guaranteed, and it is not a silver bullet for all our problems, but it is going towards ensuring that we can compete and become sustainable as a bigger club. At times we will be gutted that are youngest hasn’t signed a contract even more so if he goes to Germany and comes back a £40m player but others times we will laugh as we pick apart Charlton’s academy and pay a pittance in compensation for a good prospect.

Whilst i agree with the jist of your post, the bit in red makes it fall down(imo). We have currently on our books 2 players that were PL proven, High Fees & High Wages . . . Benteke & Sakho

 


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View Goal Machine's Profile Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 17 Mar 21 5.52pm Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Originally posted by Ketteridge

Can I just point out before we start on the Hodgson wont play youth thread again how well the 4 players out on loan are doing, the ones dinosaur Hodgson won’t play. Kirby started two matches at Tranmere and seems to have been taken off at half time in both, similar with Pierick who is been kept out of the Kilmarnock first team by the talent of Kyle Lafferty. Sam Woods has been a sub for Plymouth and Scott Banks seems to be doing ok in the Scottish championship . Hopefully ,they are all learning from the experience hopefully they will all come good but let’s not kid ourself these are premier league ready players. We have only just got the top grade academy and the young players are simple not there to play but hopefully they will come through over the next few years.
If the lad wants to go it is shame but lots of other youngster have made the same decision ,Yep he will get more first team opppotunities in Germany if he is good enough the Bundesliga is more forgiving on development. Jaydon Sancho has made it a promising story for youngster but it has not worked out well for Mandela Egbo has it.

A pal I used to work with (former Palace academy player, now playing non league) told me previously that in his opinion, often the difference between Premier League and League 2 is luck and getting the opportunity.

His general frustration is that a lot of youngsters don't get a chance over a foreign import or more established player. If we look at AWB, he would never have got a sniff it it wasn't for an injury crisis. He could be on loan at somewhere like Oldham now if he didn't get the lucky break.

I think back to watching Hiram Boeteng coming on as a sub away at Swansea a few years ago and thought he was great. I don't think he ever got the chance again.

Often you've just got to throw a kid in to see how they cope, will they sink or swim. Some will thrive and take their game up a notch to a new level. Now is the risk free time of the season to take this sort of gamble.

 

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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 17 Mar 21 7.48pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

Whilst i agree with the jist of your post, the bit in red makes it fall down(imo). We have currently on our books 2 players that were PL proven, High Fees & High Wages . . . Benteke & Sakho

Aright I might be pushing it a bit, we did in the early years make some ‘marque’ signings Cabaye, Beneteke and Sakho, but in this context of this argument about buying players with proven ability over taking a risk on potential they fit the bill of proven premier league players who were over looked for one reason or another . Beneteke had played 130 games at Villa and Liverpool and scored 51 goals ,Klopp wanted shot of him. Sakho was similar, a proven player who had played a few season at Liverpool which had been limited due his knee injuries, how they have worked out is a different matter.

 


One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 17 Mar 21 8.30pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by Goal Machine

A pal I used to work with (former Palace academy player, now playing non league) told me previously that in his opinion, often the difference between Premier League and League 2 is luck and getting the opportunity.

His general frustration is that a lot of youngsters don't get a chance over a foreign import or more established player. If we look at AWB, he would never have got a sniff it it wasn't for an injury crisis. He could be on loan at somewhere like Oldham now if he didn't get the lucky break.

I think back to watching Hiram Boeteng coming on as a sub away at Swansea a few years ago and thought he was great. I don't think he ever got the chance again.

Often you've just got to throw a kid in to see how they cope, will they sink or swim. Some will thrive and take their game up a notch to a new level. Now is the risk free time of the season to take this sort of gamble.


Hopefully the loanees take their opportunity. I have heard the argument before and any player needs a bit of luck and fortune and be in the right set up , I always wonder what might have happened had Johnny William been at the Man City academy he might have ended up with a completely career. We have never known how to use his type of player
Makes a nice story that AWB was plucked from obscurity and he may have got his opportunity because of injury but he was being talked about at the time as potential, I remember reading an interview with Richard Shaw saying he was doing well against Wilf in training, he wanted to go on loan in the January of the season he made his debut but was convinced to stay. An article from the time [Link] forgot he went out to Hong Kong and played well.

 


One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

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View Elphers40's Profile Elphers40 Flag Northants 17 Mar 21 9.48pm Send a Private Message to Elphers40 Add Elphers40 as a friend

Don’t think Roy is to blame for this one.

No affinity with the club - clearly no loyalty = shouldn’t be surprised.

 

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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 18 Mar 21 6.48am Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Anybody seen him play?

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 18 Mar 21 8.56am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

Anybody seen him play?

Apparently West Ham have.

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 18 Mar 21 10.34am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

Anybody seen him play?


Only on CPFC video in a recent U23 game against runaway leaders Leeds. He scored the opening goal although credit for it goes to Spence and Hale who between them created the chance for him. He looked OK, but the fact he was moved up from the U18 squad to play in the U23s suggests the coaches rated him. He was subbed at half time in his most recent U23 outing in the defeat at Reading. I didn't see that game, so don'[t know why he came off.

 

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View Qwijibo's Profile Qwijibo Flag Bournemouth 18 Mar 21 11.08am Send a Private Message to Qwijibo Add Qwijibo as a friend

I'm assuming someone's already highlighted Mandela Egbo's move a few years ago. I can't remember who he plays for now? (poss in the US), but he never got going at Monchengladbach, literally played about one game.

We need to market ourselves better with young players. We should be a better option than Chelsea, and yet we are no more likely to play young prospects than they are.

 

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Originally posted by Qwijibo

I'm assuming someone's already highlighted Mandela Egbo's move a few years ago. I can't remember who he plays for now? (poss in the US), but he never got going at Monchengladbach, literally played about one game.

For every Egbo there is a Jadon Sancho or Jude Bellingham who did move to Germany and have done well out there

 

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View Eaglehamster's Profile Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 18 Mar 21 3.53pm Send a Private Message to Eaglehamster Add Eaglehamster as a friend

If we have matches remaining after hitting 40 points, wouldn't that be a golden opportunity to give some youngsters a try? I can't think of a reason why not but I expect Roy will.

Edited by Eaglehamster (18 Mar 2021 3.54pm)

 


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