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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 03 May 21 11.35am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Tut, tut. Never confront a Brexiteer with facts that don't fit their narrative. They might start to wonder where all those £350 millions per week saved has been spent on the NHS.

Oh please not that old one again.

1. £350 million was never a pledge by the government which was pro Remain.
2. Mrs May pointedly gave the NHS more than 350 million pw so they got it anyway.

But yeah you crack on.

 


One more point

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 May 21 11.36am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

OK, who wrote it?

The "report" has a by line of "Michael V" so I suppose technically he did but ALL his "information" comes from Gunnar Beck. It is therefore Mr Beck who is responsible for the claims.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 May 21 11.40am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

You mean apart from the £60bn extra spending on the pandemic?

Do you seriously think any of that was funded by savings made from our withdrawal? No=one was budgeting for a pandemic. We have borrowed to deal with it.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 May 21 11.46am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Oh please not that old one again.

1. £350 million was never a pledge by the government which was pro Remain.
2. Mrs May pointedly gave the NHS more than 350 million pw so they got it anyway.

But yeah you crack on.

That's just a very tedious excuse used by Brexiteers to try to justify the deception after it was exposed.

There is no doubt at all that the claim was simply a marketing tool designed by Cummings to deceive the voters. Any politician with an ounce of integrity renounced it at the time.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 03 May 21 11.47am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you seriously think any of that was funded by savings made from our withdrawal? No=one was budgeting for a pandemic. We have borrowed to deal with it.

And do we not have more resources available to repay the debt?

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 03 May 21 11.50am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The "report" has a by line of "Michael V" so I suppose technically he did but ALL his "information" comes from Gunnar Beck. It is therefore Mr Beck who is responsible for the claims.

I have no idea how factual the claims are but they could be true couldn’t they? If so facts are facts regardless of the source.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 May 21 11.52am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Brexit is generally forecast to be more damaging than covid at 9.5% lost GDP.

But all these things are subjective.

With brexit, just look at all the damage around you.

Jobs, investment, the UK breaking up, dreadful EU trade deal, businesses re-locating abroad, you know it really.


That's the problem though, isn't it?

They exist in a parallel universe in which the sun is always going to rise, tomorrow.

The other problem is that tomorrow never comes.

 

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View beak's Profile beak Flag croydon 03 May 21 11.56am Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Amazing to read of 'dodging a EU bill', there is no bill at all.

The UK will save 14 billions in contributions less its gains from the other way now lost.

The EU states will benefit from the 750 billion re-generation loan, the UK will not.

Desperate clutching at straws.

Brexit is a financial disaster for the UK.

One barometer of wether leaving the E.U.was right is the London Stock Exchange, it is flying upwards since leaving, another is the vaccine success story.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 May 21 11.57am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I have no idea how factual the claims are but they could be true couldn’t they? If so facts are facts regardless of the source.

He clearly is a learned guy and argues well but the way he presents smacks of an agenda that goes much further than arguing for Brexit.

He feels like a man on a political mission with eyes fixed on a bigger prize.

We will see, but one to watch.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 May 21 12.05pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

He clearly is a learned guy and argues well but the way he presents smacks of an agenda that goes much further than arguing for Brexit.

He feels like a man on a political mission with eyes fixed on a bigger prize.

We will see, but one to watch.

You do have a point. However, there's no hiding the fact that the two best performing economies are Britain and the USA, largely caused by investor confidence. The EU vaccine response is a shambles. Let's also be honest, this latest EU bailout will not be enough and Britain would have been contributing to it.
750bn will not cover Italy, let alone Spain, France and Portugal. That's if the Germans don't have enough of paying for everyone else. The reason we're not hearing anything from the EU is exactly this. They look stupid and there's a massive groundswell against them in all of the EU countries.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 03 May 21 12.05pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

There is still about 25 billions being paid to the EU in the next few yeas (ONBR).

Plus various other minor odds and sods.

The EU grants, benefits etc. which were considerable, have been lost and it is up to the UK to fund it all or make it disappear more likely.

There is nothing to suggest that the UK would make anything other than pocket money savings.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 03 May 21 12.14pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by beak

... another is the vaccine success story.

I think this vaccine issue goes beyond just the hows and whys around procurement. What has staggered me is how many EU countries, once they have the vaccines, seem so slack in how they approach the actual mechanisms of getting the stuff into peoples arms.

Lots of these countries do not vaccinate on Sundays, took May 1st off and a whole host of other ways of not actually distributing it.

Like there Governments are institutionally unable to cope with a crisis.

The UK's vaccine success goes way beyond just the fact that we managed to get our hands on sufficient amounts. For me, it speaks of a vastly different cultural approach to such dilema's that puts us at odds with the wider European cultural norms and expectations.

Now the reality is that I suspect we would have probably gone our own way anyway from the EU no matter what, primarily based on our links with Oxford/Astra Zeneca along with our infrastructure differences in terms of the NHS and so on. And that if we had still been in the EU, might have taken a leading role in sorting it out so it might have been more efficient anyway (this I concede is one of the great 'what if's' but lets get it out there anyway).

The UK approached Covid, after some early and tragic mistakes, as effectively a wartime situation. And we threw any and everything at it. The EU by contrast are simply not capable of doing that, its very nature of compromise and technocratic rule meaning that it simply cannot see anything in such a binary way. Covid was seen, and still is, as primarily a political issue. And thus they handled it as they handle everything else. Zero urgency and when it all goes wrong, desperately trying to blame everybody else.

And let's not forget their general incompetence. For example when they published their contract with Astra-Zeneca, their failure to ensure that the redacted parts that contradicted what they were claiming in public to remain redacted. Schoolboy errors. Not what you expect from such a supposedly genius body of Europe's elite politicians.

Covid was beyond the EU's grasp on a myriad of levels. It should never have been near dealing with it in any way, shape or form.

 


In 1967, when Polish mercenary Rafal Ganowicz was asked what it felt like to take human life, replied: "I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."

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