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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 23 May 21 6.33pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

This will be the new woke in a few years time. It will be funny to see that today's woke will be met with derision by the next generation.

Current woke "But I went on the marches, voted Remain, supported BLM, tore down the statues and got an electric car."

Future woke "yeah but you eat flesh "

'Bout time they all woke up and got real I say

 


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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

We should be free to eat what we want. There is enough dietary and health advice available for us to make our own judgements about what goes into our bodies.

But this is what is totally unacceptable. [Link]
How dare anybody DEMAND that McDonald's stop selling the food that many (most?) of us enjoy and that they become totally plant based by 2025.

This holier than thou, righteous, high minded, virtuous and high principled behaviour is what folk find difficult to tolerate.


The likes of McDonalds want to switch they will make a lot more money from doing so I have already mentioned this the big push for fake meats etc is all about people making £.

People need to stand up against it the stuff is terrible for human health and not good for environment either.

Regarding nutrition information unfortunately people don't know about it because they have been fed lies written by the likes of food and pharmaceutical industry so they can make £.

Our own Gov/NHS guidelines are complete lies on the matter this is why we have so many health issues in modern day.

Originally posted by Spiderman

What a surprise, it is you who are the joke. Still waiting for your list of sportspeople! End of discussion


Edited by Spiderman (23 May 2021 6.31pm)


Sports people for what that consume animals?

I am a joke yes yet I am the one who understands the science and you do not.


Edited by grumpymort (23 May 2021 7.14pm)

 


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Originally posted by grumpymort


Sports people for what that consume animals?

I am a joke yes yet I am the one who understands the science and you do not.


Edited by grumpymort (23 May 2021 7.14pm)

Last words on this:
I have never professed to knowing the science,please show me the post where I said I do:

You stated you had a list of sportspersons whose careers suffered through having a plant based diet.... still waiting

2 qualified nutritionists are frauds/ don’t know what they are talking about but you, an allegedly qualified “professional” do. Mmmm

Edited by Spiderman (23 May 2021 7.43pm)

 

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Originally posted by Spiderman

Last words on this:
I have never professed to knowing the science,please show me the post where I said I do:

You stated you had a list of sportspersons whose careers suffered through having a plant based diet.... still waiting

2 qualified nutritionists are frauds/ don’t know what they are talking about but you, an allegedly qualified “professional” do. Mmmm

Edited by Spiderman (23 May 2021 7.43pm)


Nutritionists are not scientists.

To become a nutritionist is not difficult and what they teach is based of pseudoscience (this is the same with many organizations they work for NHS being one of them)

You will be thinking what a load of *** so go have a chat to a nutritionist or even watch videos of them talking about human physiology 95% of them do not even know what the Randle cycle is Greger himself didn't have clue what it is yet he is the guy who released a book attacking Atkins/low carb way of living (he was a drop out couldn't cut it to get a PhD so took easy option)

Athletes that declined when dropping animal foods

Messi (he has been riddled with injuries and dropped in performance)
Darius Boyd
Lauri Markkanen
Kendrick Farris


The list will be so big not just current people but form the past as well


I have given you people from different sports they switch and then they keep getting injuries and performance drops even end up retiring.

I see you sneaked in the word plant based (this is again you trying to be misleading again another tactic vegans use because plant based still includes some animal products a lot of studies do this as well which is why they are not even valid)

One of the so called poster boys a lot of your lists use is Tom Brady the guy consumes animals a lot more then claimed he was even eating some at super bowel you can easily find the pictures.

Don't listen to the stories the media claims even the athletes will lie to public because of £ reasons unless you know people that work with these people you have no idea what they really do. (I know many people that work with different types of athletes and had done myself in the past some of the coaching I do is helping former athletes fix health)


 


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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

We should be free to eat what we want. There is enough dietary and health advice available for us to make our own judgements about what goes into our bodies.

But this is what is totally unacceptable. [Link]
How dare anybody DEMAND that McDonald's stop selling the food that many (most?) of us enjoy and that they become totally plant based by 2025.

This holier than thou, righteous, high minded, virtuous and high principled behaviour is what folk find difficult to tolerate.

Really? So if I pulled out my pet cat and started tucking into it in a popular picnic spot, you wouldn't batter an eyelid? What about a human baby then?

I exaggerate, yes. But I think the whole argument for animal activists is that we shouldn't be free to eat what we want. It's not a health issue...it's a moral one (for the most part).

 

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Originally posted by sprites

Really? So if I pulled out my pet cat and started tucking into it in a popular picnic spot, you wouldn't batter an eyelid? What about a human baby then?

I exaggerate, yes. But I think the whole argument for animal activists is that we shouldn't be free to eat what we want. It's not a health issue...it's a moral one (for the most part).

I'd only batter an eyelid in beer batter. Anything else would taste odd.

 


Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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according to Dave Swindlehurst's biography he had a drop in form during our promotion season and put it down to his weekly toad-in-the hole being replaced by cauliflower cheese for a few months, once he reverted to saussies in batter his goal scoring touch came back so there might be something in this.

 

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Originally posted by sprites

Really? So if I pulled out my pet cat and started tucking into it in a popular picnic spot, you wouldn't batter an eyelid? What about a human baby then?

I exaggerate, yes. But I think the whole argument for animal activists is that we shouldn't be free to eat what we want. It's not a health issue...it's a moral one (for the most part).


LOL but both may be so tasty how dare you judge.

Last bit is spot on really these people which are really a cult tend to be anti human as well plus do not care about health if you did you never would eat that way as already mentioned been proven which are species appropriate food is which is animals who brains formed from that and decreased when we moved away from it plus started to be riddled with diseases.

Not all but most are delusional believing that the way they live helps animals when they are doing far more harm compared to someone who was to consume only animal products.

 


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Originally posted by grumpymort


Athletes that declined when dropping animal foods

Messi (he has been riddled with injuries and dropped in performance)
Darius Boyd
Lauri Markkanen
Kendrick Farris

Don't listen to the stories the media claims even the athletes will lie to public because of £ reasons

For someone who lashed out every time someone posts no study, or a study that doesn't reach your approval, I'm not sure that linking specific athletes who dropped animal products with a drop in performance or injury is very 'scentific'. There have been plenty of elite standard vegan or vegetarian athletes and there are several studies suggesting it does not hamper performance as long as you're getting enough protein and nutrients [Link]

Your go to when you have no evidence is to suggest (with no basis to it) that people are 'lying'. Posters are lying, hospitals are lying, footballer are lying and on and on.

Much like your fixation on and mockery of others contributions, if you're making these claims you have to back them up in such a way that discredits studies that infer the opposite. Good luck.

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

For someone who lashed out every time someone posts no study, or a study that doesn't reach your approval, I'm not sure that linking specific athletes who dropped animal products with a drop in performance or injury is very 'scentific'. There have been plenty of elite standard vegan or vegetarian athletes and there are several studies suggesting it does not hamper performance as long as you're getting enough protein and nutrients [Link]

Your go to when you have no evidence is to suggest (with no basis to it) that people are 'lying'. Posters are lying, hospitals are lying, footballer are lying and on and on.

Much like your fixation on and mockery of others contributions, if you're making these claims you have to back them up in such a way that discredits studies that infer the opposite. Good luck.


Again same old with you link to a media outlet article not a study and yes I know it has some links to claimed studies would you like me to rip apart every one of those not hard to do so.

The other thing is you have shown again you are not understanding what you are reading or linking to the BBC article is from opinions not science if you can not even understand this how will you understand submitted science papers you don't otherwise as I said you would discredit them as well (taking questionnaires and injecting rats with unrealistic amounts of material is not valid science)

Go and look up all those names I listed you will see in the time periods they switched a big decline in performance it has even led to some retiring not long after so what evidence do you require.

As stated a pattern with these people lots of injuries not recovering that is evidence do you want some more people

David Haye
Jack Wilshire
Cam Newton

Provide one long term study on a human athlete that had big benefits from being a vegan compared to consuming animal diet not a SAD diet which is full of processed food which by the way was Messi (I already know you wont find one)


Regarding the evidence of organizations lying what did I mention in my other post about an important mechanism "Randle Cycle" go and study that look at the guidelines that are being pushed this one mechanism alone discredits them.

Athlete Lewis Hamilton a claimed vegan for health, environmental reasons plus really cares about animals

What does he do for a living?,
How does he travel around the world?
Eating this diet causes more harm to animals plus environment.
Tried to force it on his dog almost killing it

The last thing what does he have big money investment the same as the others that are pushing it fake meats.

Edited by grumpymort (24 May 2021 6.24pm)

 


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Originally posted by grumpymort


Again same old with you link to a media outlet article not a study and yes I know it has some links to claimed studies would you like me to rip apart every one of those not hard to do so.

I purposefully posted it on account that it links through to several noteable studies. What an amazing coincidence that you view them to be lies and nonsense, much like everything else that isn't aligned with your personal anecdotal understanding of reality.


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As stated a pattern with these people lots of injuries not recovering that is evidence do you want some more people

David Haye
Jack Wilshire
Cam Newton

It's ludicrous to claim that you personally know that injuries caused to this list of professional sportspeople are solely down to a vegetable based diets. There are so many unknowable and individual aspects that it becomes so anecdotal to the extreme. For someone who thinks they can 'rip apart' respected scientific studies, you put a lot of stock in 'what happened to Dave'.

Edited by grumpymort (24 May 2021 6.24pm)

I'll leave you to it. You know best .

 

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I like eating vegans. You get to eat meat that taste likes vegetables.

 

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