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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Aug 22 7.53am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

Arrogance and prejudice = toxic compound

You should know.

You have both plus stupidity just for good measure.

Now, if you just want to throw insults and accusations around, try another site.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Aug 22 7.57am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by eagles4lyf

lol how pathetic is this comment.. people love any chance to get on to the black community and forget about how positive and good vibes carnival is. 1 stabbing out of 2 million people which of course is still a tragedy as someone has lost there life, but stabbings happen all the time now in England and no itís not just the black community. To me this is just a perfect excuse for all the racists to come out. How about reading and Leeds festival?? Only 105k people went One person died from taking ecstasy and 50 ejected for serious disorder. Before you want to come and attack the black community do your research.

Why do you think that is?

 

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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 31 Aug 22 8.04am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Why do we never talk about Glasgow's knife and crime problem on here? Far exceeds anything that happened at Notting Hill Carnival.

On what basis do you make this assertion? What are you comparing? A carnival in Glasgow to a carnival in Notting Hill? Stabbings per head of population? All Glaswegians are white?

 

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View Glazier#1's Profile Glazier#1 Flag 31 Aug 22 8.17am Send a Private Message to Glazier#1 Add Glazier#1 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You should know.

You have both plus stupidity just for good measure.

Now, if you just want to throw insults and accusations around, try another site.

Why, I thank you for your measured comments. It's good to see that you, at least, are not to be seen throwing around insults lol.

it is extremely difficult to have any sort of discussion with posters who show very little analytical insight but abound in prejudicial, sweeping statements.

I have, indeed looked at the Met police stats on the racial profiling of knife crime perpetrators and victims. With this, I find that the stats only refer to 'Ethic appearance' - and even then, within that Afro/Caribbean' so a blunt tool for the purposes of this discussion.

Your original, kick-off statement implied that the carnival was bound to include stabbings and violence because that is down to being Caribbean.

For the last weekend's stats on these features, we have not been given a breakdown of arrests for crimes so it's too early, anyway, to come to any conclusions on that score unless, like you, you've already made your mind up.

If it is, indeed, a fact that young men of Caribbean descent are hugely involved in knife crime and violence, I would want to look at some of the underlying causes for that.

There are some (ahem) who will be more likely to say: "Well, there you go - that's Caribbeans for you".

I'm not one of those, for all my 'stupidity'.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 31 Aug 22 8.35am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

Why, I thank you for your measured comments. It's good to see that you, at least, are not to be seen throwing around insults lol.

it is extremely difficult to have any sort of discussion with posters who show very little analytical insight but abound in prejudicial, sweeping statements.

I have, indeed looked at the Met police stats on the racial profiling of knife crime perpetrators and victims. With this, I find that the stats only refer to 'Ethic appearance' - and even then, within that Afro/Caribbean' so a blunt tool for the purposes of this discussion.

Your original, kick-off statement implied that the carnival was bound to include stabbings and violence because that is down to being Caribbean.

For the last weekend's stats on these features, we have not been given a breakdown of arrests for crimes so it's too early, anyway, to come to any conclusions on that score unless, like you, you've already made your mind up.

If it is, indeed, a fact that young men of Caribbean descent are hugely involved in knife crime and violence, I would want to look at some of the underlying causes for that.

There are some (ahem) who will be more likely to say: "Well, there you go - that's Caribbeans for you".

I'm not one of those, for all my 'stupidity'.

Go and have a look at those facts and post what you find. But Ö. Personally I think itís a lot to do with daddy f***ing off and leaving mummy to bring up the kids alone. A father figure is very important in a childís early years. I would be interested to see the stats on single mothers and their ethnicity. Bearing in mind only 1 in 6.5 people are black; or non white indigenous. If exponentially there are more non white then that might answer at least one of the questions about how disproportionate knife crime amongst black boys is.

 

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View Glazier#1's Profile Glazier#1 Flag 31 Aug 22 8.47am Send a Private Message to Glazier#1 Add Glazier#1 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Go and have a look at those facts and post what you find. But Ö. Personally I think itís a lot to do with daddy f***ing off and leaving mummy to bring up the kids alone. A father figure is very important in a childís early years. I would be interested to see the stats on single mothers and their ethnicity. Bearing in mind only 1 in 6.5 people are black; or non white indigenous. If exponentially there are more non white then that might answer at least one of the questions about how disproportionate knife crime amongst black boys is.

I would want to analyse all knife crime, in terms of schooling, the provision of free school meals, the earning capacity of the families, the education attainment. Within that, I would like to look not at @appearnace' of ethnicity but actual so that the problem can be properly analysed.

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I get so fed up with hearing "Well, that's blacks for you".

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 31 Aug 22 9.17am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

I would want to analyse all knife crime, in terms of schooling, the provision of free school meals, the earning capacity of the families, the education attainment. Within that, I would like to look not at @appearnace' of ethnicity but actual so that the problem can be properly analysed.

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I get so fed up with hearing "Well, that's blacks for you".

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How about investigating the culture? You are complaining about schooling and yet in the same class other non whites do proportionality better. Is it because "school isn't cool"

Is it because parents are not aspirational for their kids. Much of this applies to white working class kids as well but I am afraid that the black community would rather push the blame on others than looking for reasons within.

I don't believe our educational system is racist nor is poverty an excuse for crime.

 


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View Glazier#1's Profile Glazier#1 Flag 31 Aug 22 9.23am Send a Private Message to Glazier#1 Add Glazier#1 as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

How about investigating the culture? You are complaining about schooling and yet in the same class other non whites do proportionality better. Is it because "school isn't cool"

Is it because parents are not aspirational for their kids. Much of this applies to white working class kids as well but I am afraid that the black community would rather push the blame on others than looking for reasons within.

I don't believe our educational system is racist nor is poverty an excuse for crime.

Neither do I but reasons, underlying causes might be, indeed are, different to 'excuses'.

I'm not @complaining' about schooling but would be interested to see an analysis of such things in order to better understand underlying factors that would improve life for all of us so that we might be able to tackle the problem. ]

 

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View madcap_v2's Profile madcap_v2 Flag San Antonio de Portmany, Ibiza 31 Aug 22 9.25am Send a Private Message to madcap_v2 Add madcap_v2 as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

On what basis do you make this assertion? What are you comparing? A carnival in Glasgow to a carnival in Notting Hill? Stabbings per head of population? All Glaswegians are white?

A simple Google search. It's well known Glasgow has a big problem with knife crime. Comparing the crime rate in Glasgow (circa 450 arrests per 10,000) to NHC (250 arrests per 2 million). Glasgow is nearly 90% white, but no one wants to talk about this here ever. People just showing their bias.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Aug 22 9.28am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

Why, I thank you for your measured comments. It's good to see that you, at least, are not to be seen throwing around insults lol.

it is extremely difficult to have any sort of discussion with posters who show very little analytical insight but abound in prejudicial, sweeping statements.

I have, indeed looked at the Met police stats on the racial profiling of knife crime perpetrators and victims. With this, I find that the stats only refer to 'Ethic appearance' - and even then, within that Afro/Caribbean' so a blunt tool for the purposes of this discussion.

Your original, kick-off statement implied that the carnival was bound to include stabbings and violence because that is down to being Caribbean.

For the last weekend's stats on these features, we have not been given a breakdown of arrests for crimes so it's too early, anyway, to come to any conclusions on that score unless, like you, you've already made your mind up.

If it is, indeed, a fact that young men of Caribbean descent are hugely involved in knife crime and violence, I would want to look at some of the underlying causes for that.

There are some (ahem) who will be more likely to say: "Well, there you go - that's Caribbeans for you".

I'm not one of those, for all my 'stupidity'.

Actually, that was not what I said. There is no doubt in my mind that Caribbean culture, particularly Jamacian, has always been associated with drugs and gang violence. You now seem to have stopped pretending otherwise.

Clearly, and obviously to anyone sensible person, not all gang and street crime can be attributed to one demographic.
There are obviously gangs of various origins fighting over turf and drugs plus perpetrating violent organised crime, the majority of which are not of English origin.

I'm not interested in your excuses and 'underlying causes'. There is no excuse for being murdering scum. The fact you think there is tells me that we are unlikely to find common ground on this.

As a White Englishman, my perspective is one of someone who is old enough to have seen the steady decline in this country as regards criminality, mostly due to years of immigration.

It is regrettable if you take that personally.

 

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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 31 Aug 22 9.43am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by madcap_v2

A simple Google search. It's well known Glasgow has a big problem with knife crime. Comparing the crime rate in Glasgow (circa 450 arrests per 10,000) to NHC (250 arrests per 2 million). Glasgow is nearly 90% white, but no one wants to talk about this here ever. People just showing their bias.

450 arrests per 10,000 - what for Glasgow alone? Over what period of time - arrests for what crime? How many of the 250 NHC carnival arrests were white people?

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 31 Aug 22 9.57am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

Neither do I but reasons, underlying causes might be, indeed are, different to 'excuses'.

I'm not @complaining' about schooling but would be interested to see an analysis of such things in order to better understand underlying factors that would improve life for all of us so that we might be able to tackle the problem. ]

It starts at home. I don't say this as a knee jerk I have a friend who is a social anthropologist and has spent years studying and writing books about the poor and why some groups do better than others e.g. first generation low paid jobs 2nd generation doctors / lawyers etc.

It was obvious to her studying these people in their homes that those who were aspirational had routines for their children e.g. playtime / eating / bedtime. When these kids first went to school they adjusted because they understood their days would have routine e.g. class work / school break / lunch / work / break.

The kids that had no set routine at home couldn't understand that you can't play in class and were therefore disruptive hated school had no aspiration.

All of the above can apply to any family or group not just black children and my friend actually specialised in poor white working class kids.

Never the less until people from within the back community recognised that the opportunities are there and that problems are largely of their own making and that playing the victim is self defeating...

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