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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah, my last sentence was poorly expressed, apologies.

As for your last paragraph's sentiments. I think I answered that in my post. A percent of mostly middle class women will welcome that (some coming to regret it) while a huge number just don't....this can be seen in the decades long rejection of the term 'feminist' mainly because it was viewed as extreme.

However, once opposition to feminism was silenced by the media and institutions there has only been one voice on these matters and so more and more women are convinced of an ideology that actually results in less happiness, less children and a less content and probably less economically secured future.

No problem.

I'd strongly contest that it leads to less happiness (for reasons outlined above), I don't think it matters how many children it leads to and I don't see it leads to a less economically secure future for women.

Loads of ideologies take generations to fully take hold - I don't think that's proof of much.

No doubt there are a percentage of women happy with an easier life, but I think it is miles from a majority.

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

No problem.

I'd strongly contest that it leads to less happiness (for reasons outlined above), I don't think it matters how many children it leads to and I don't see it leads to a less economically secure future for women.

The reason you gave for women.....mistakenly, in your view, thinking they had a better life, was that they didn't realise that careers and less masculine men would somehow somehow make it better. I don't see the evidence for that.

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Loads of ideologies take generations to fully take hold - I don't think that's proof of much.

Are you supporting that? Ideologies being forced onto a population by a small elite, when opposition to it was expressed for decades.

I say again, the only reason feminism has had the slight increase in support amongst women is due to the silencing of arguments against it by the media.

I say everything about this is wrong.

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

No doubt there are a percentage of women happy with an easier life, but I think it is miles from a majority.

Isn't what you're saying here directly refuted by those studies. In my view, ff a majority say they are less happy then essentially their forebears then I think that because you are wedded to the opposite view you've had to invent reasons why they are wrong rather than just accept what the stats said.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2021 5.45pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Isn't what you're saying here directly refuted by those studies. In my view, ff a majority say they are less happy then essentially their forebears then I think that because you are wedded to the opposite view you've had to invent reasons why they are wrong rather than just accept what the stats said.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2021 5.45pm)

It's common sense; ignorance is bliss. People who know less tend to be happier, that's not a new concept.

Your entire narrative on this stuff seems to be tied to one study around life happiness/satisfaction, but it's such a flawed area to research I think it's bordering on ridiculous to draw so many complete conclusions from it

Has life happiness decreased across both sexes in the same time period? The implication that any change in women's happiness must be a result of the state of feminism at the time is ludicrous - how much has changed in the last 70 years to contribute to any change in societal happiness? Why are you so sure this is the reason?

You don't know that "the only reason feminism has had the slight increase in support amongst women is due to the silencing of arguments against it by the media."
That's you doing exactly what you've accused me of; inventing reasons as to why the trend is that because you're wedded to the opposite view.

To be clear, I am absolutely guilty of that as well.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (17 Aug 2021 6.25pm)

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

It's common sense; ignorance is bliss. People who know less tend to be happier, that's not a new concept.

So the more you know the less happy you are? I don't think that correlates myself. Also, it's kind of demeaning to those earlier generations. I remember my grandmother, she wasn't exactly dim.....many women enjoyed having families and security....indeed most still now, even though the messaging they get encourages the opposite.

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Your entire narrative on this stuff seems to be tied to one study around life happiness/satisfaction, but it's such a flawed area to research I think it's bordering on ridiculous to draw so many complete conclusions from it

It isn't one study. These studies are across decades and the message was clear from the fifties through to the seventies.....were these sixties and seventies women unsophisticated as well....just not knowing the working career feminism they were missing out on?

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Has life happiness decreased across both sexes in the same time period? The implication that any change in women's happiness must be a result of the state of feminism at the time is ludicrous - how much has changed in the last 70 years to contribute to any change in societal happiness? Why are you so sure this is the reason?

If I remember correctly the studies showed that men reported being happier now than they were in the fifties....probably because they don't have the same responsibility levels and more leisure time.

I'd agree though that far deeper analysis can be made....I don't see why that would support any of your contentions.....but sure.

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

You don't know that "the only reason feminism has had the slight increase in support amongst women is due to the silencing of arguments against it by the media."
That's you doing exactly what you've accused me of; inventing reasons as to why the trend is that because you're wedded to the opposite view.

To be clear, I am absolutely guilty of that as well.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (17 Aug 2021 6.25pm)

Well, I'd say it's a pretty strong indicator....otherwise why would opposition be silenced?

Regardless it's wrong....originally feminism was about providing women with more choices in the world.....not about having them agree upon one perspective on social and political issues.

I'd say that's almost anti western.

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Stirling’s Bro in arms Laurence Fox makes an excellent point here.

Do you agree that hard men make good times Stirling?

 

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Originally posted by DanH

Stirling’s Bro in arms Laurence Fox makes an excellent point here.

Do you agree that hard men make good times Stirling?

Amusing that you'd turn that gay.

However, the analogy, as properly intended is just common sense.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Amusing that you'd turn that gay.

However, the analogy, as properly intended is just common sense.

It’s a load of fragile male nonsense.

 

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Originally posted by DanH

It’s a load of fragile male nonsense.

History isn't exactly your strong point Dan.

That's probably tea making.

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

History isn't exactly your strong point Dan.

That's probably tea making.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2021 7.42pm)

If people like you and him are your best bet no wonder your ideology is losing.

 

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Originally posted by DanH

If people like you and him are your best bet no wonder your ideology is losing.

Losing?

This was settled in this country fifty years ago. You obviously don't read my posts.

Outside of an economic collapse and a significant spilt within British elites your degenerate regressive ideology will continue on damaging and downgrading social and economic outcomes for society.

Social conservatism is doing well elsewhere and I look to the future to see what happens.

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Losing?

This was settled in this country fifty years ago. You obviously don't read my posts.

Outside of an economic collapse and a significant spilt within British elites your degenerate regressive ideology will continue on damaging and downgrading social and economic outcomes for society.

Social conservatism is doing well elsewhere and I look to the future to see what happens.


Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2021 8.47pm)

Like in Kabul?

 

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I think it’s funny how your views rely on you convincing yourself that your lot have ‘already lost’ and us ‘normies’ have been ‘brainwashed’ by the system.

It means you can sit there tutting from the sidelines disapprovingly while having utterly convinced yourself that you are right and that none of the perceived ills in the world are the fault of anyone who thinks similarly to you, and that things were better in the ‘good old days’ of Blighty, when you weren’t even alive.

That means you can sit there thinking ‘not my fault guv’ at literally anything ‘bad’ that goes on the world and blame it on ‘elites’ who you never name and the ‘left’ who have never really held any meaningful power in the west in the last 50 years in any major nation or economy.

It’s a leap of the imagination on speed.

 

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