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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Again...you say unlinked to stuff all the time....coming out with tarty and emotional stuff that I never ask for links for because I know its pointless tart stuff.

But you're all about double standards aren't you Dan so apparently I have to show you how eggs are sucked.

I can direct you to books....this one is actually written by a feminist (Christina Hoff Sommers) from the sixties who is dismayed at the direction feminism took against masculinity..and this was published in 2008 ages ago now.

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Research a review of it if you want.

Rather than me writing another long post here's a blog about these attacks from three years ago....prompted from the successful attack on the boy scouts.

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Get your ears filled then.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2021 3.33pm)

I'll do some reading after I've finished work but you seriously want me to read something written by this guy and take it seriously?

'Jon Anthony is a lifestyle design coach, who teaches men how to improve their dating skills, get in better shape, and make more money. He enjoys talking about workout supplements like SARMs, cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin and Ethereum, and dating techniques that men can use to improve their love lives.'

It's Bros like that that convince the rest of you there's a problem.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Cool, and maybe it is sometimes.

However you do realise that the species needs to reproduce and not every male gets a masterclass in 'how to successfully get laid'.

Also there's the fact of objectivity over this, women are fine when it's someone they consider 'hot'.....when it's someone less desirable it's suddenly 'creepy'.

And look....I think women are wonderful but If you're going to be fair to both sexes then you need to look at both sides.....and when women approach men it's hardly subtle either....with the standard being wearing little and putting themselves in their vicinity until they get an actual approach....and then any crossed wires are all the male's fault.

And men don't complain do they, because most of them aren't tarts.


Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2021 3.39pm)

As a man (and an apparent 'alpha' one at that) you seem to know a lot about how women think and what they like.

Women can wear that they want without fear of being touched up or worse by men. Any 'crossed wires' (nice euphemism for sexual assault or rape) are all the male's fault unless consent has been given.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There are whole books that can be written and probably have been on this topic.

Anyone with an appreciation of history can certainly see how the feministic and unrealistic messaging given to today's girls bares little resemblance to what's likely to give them the most chance of happiness in life compared to the past.

What do you think 'happiness' looked like for women in the 50s compared to now?

Do you think the same things which made women record high happiness levels in 1950s would make today's women happy?

Logically, if the sum of your ambition is to knock out a few kids and to hope your husband doesn't drink too much, you're likely to be much more easily pleased - that doesn't make it something to aspire to.

 

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Originally posted by DanH

I'll do some reading after I've finished work but you seriously want me to read something written by this guy and take it seriously?

'Jon Anthony is a lifestyle design coach, who teaches men how to improve their dating skills, get in better shape, and make more money. He enjoys talking about workout supplements like SARMs, cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin and Ethereum, and dating techniques that men can use to improve their love lives.'

It's Bros like that that convince the rest of you there's a problem.

Ok, but I picked his blog from looking for about thirty seconds, there are many of them....just put in 'attacks on masculinity'.

Ignore his and read Sommers if his biases annoy you....though really you're poisoning the well here. You should read the blog and treat the arguments objectivity if you're really 'all ears'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2021 3.47pm)

 


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Originally posted by DanH

As a man (and an apparent 'alpha' one at that) you seem to know a lot about how women think and what they like.

Women can wear that they want without fear of being touched up or worse by men. Any 'crossed wires' (nice euphemism for sexual assault or rape) are all the male's fault unless consent has been given.

You can only see the world from one perspective it seems.

I can agree with some of these sentiments but you are just being unrealistic and anti nature.

 


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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

What do you think 'happiness' looked like for women in the 50s compared to now?

Do you think the same things which made women record high happiness levels in 1950s would make today's women happy?

Logically, if the sum of your ambition is to knock out a few kids and to hope your husband doesn't drink too much, you're likely to be much more easily pleased - that doesn't make it something to aspire to.

It's an interesting response.

I really must eat lunch but I'll respond later.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's an interesting response.

I really must eat lunch but I'll respond later.

Surely it's a dinner by now

 

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Originally posted by DanH

Haha this a pathetic response. You don’t talk to a lot of women do you?

Go and ask women how they feel about someone wolf whistling them and see what kind of response you get.

When has anyone ever demonised someone for opening a door for someone?

And it depends what the compliment is doesn’t it? There’s a difference between ‘nice dress’ and ‘nice dress, it makes your tits looks great’ isn’t there?

A lot of women feel uncomfortable getting compliments from men, especially from strangers, as it can come across as a sexual advance and just creepy.

For a pathetic post you sure used some thought to give your patronising response.
Still never mind eh!

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Surely it's a dinner by now

It's late admittedly....but dinner was always early evening in the house I grew up in.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2021 4.03pm)

 


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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

What do you think 'happiness' looked like for women in the 50s compared to now?

Do you think the same things which made women record high happiness levels in 1950s would make today's women happy?

Logically, if the sum of your ambition is to knock out a few kids and to hope your husband doesn't drink too much, you're likely to be much more easily pleased - that doesn't make it something to aspire to.

I think your highlighted text there is an important point here.

Sure, for a percent of the middle class female (the type who tend to rise to positions), who didn't like the traditional male/female roles the feminism of the 60s/70s and beyond has been wonderful.

However, for most of the rest their ideas weren't supported. This actually has followed through for decades. It's only been recently that support for the term 'feminism' has risen due to endless propaganda. and the cancelling of all opposition....So young girls don't get to hear arguments again some of its very damaging ideas for their future.

The women of the fifties had a far more simple set of choices ahead of her. She wasn't expected to work full time and she wasn't under the same expectant pressures that most men had. She was protected in ways that many of today's females don't get. I can see why many were more happy than today's examples, many of whom are on the grindstone and with less masculine men around that they actually fancy.....which can be seen in there being actually less sex going on now than there was in those more socially conservative times once birth control was available.

Yes, modern feminism has provided some advantages (mostly unearned) for women who want more careers and never ending 'advances'....which amounts to propaganda promoting the emasculation of males. However, it's come at an unacceptable heavy price to most women who never asked for it....and a percent of those that accepted the half truths and feministic kool aid now face a loney and bitter childless future from 40 to 80 with just cats for company.

Perhaps instead of looking for excuses for why the statistics are what they are you should accept what the data says.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2021 4.28pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think your highlighted text there is an important point here.

Sure, for a percent of the middle class female (the type who tend to rise to positions), who didn't like the traditional male/female roles the feminism of the 60s/70s and beyond has been wonderful.

However, for most of the rest their ideas weren't supported. This actually has followed through for decades. It's only been recently that support for the term 'feminism' has risen due to endless propaganda. and the cancelling of all opposition....So young girls don't get to hear arguments again some of its very damaging ideas for their future.

The women of the fifties had a far more simple set of choices ahead of her. She wasn't expected to work full time and she wasn't under the same expectant pressures that most men had. She was protected in ways that many of today's females don't get. I can see why many were more happy than today's examples, many of whom are on the grindstone and with less masculine men around that they actually fancy.....which can be seen in there being actually less sex going on now than there was in those more socially conservative times once birth control was available.

Yes, modern feminism has provided some advantages (mostly unearned) for women who want more careers and never ending 'advances'....which amounts to propaganda promoting the emasculation of males. However, it's come at an unacceptable heavy price to most women who never asked for it....and a percent of those that accepted the half truths and feministic kool aid now face a loney and bitter childless future from 40 to 80 with just cats for company.

Perhaps instead of looking for excuses for why the statistics are what they are you should accept what the data says.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2021 4.28pm)

Your last sentence is strange - I'm not looking for excuses. Statistics mean nothing without context - I won't even get into challenging how you measure 'happiness' and the obvious flaws around that, but to suggest because you have one bit of supportive data that is the end of discussion is a bit weird.

The bit in bold typifies my point; I'm sure many women today would sooner take on the challenge of working full time/expectant pressure than living entirely dependent on someone else, so to suggest that simpler = happier/better does not stack up.

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Your last sentence is strange - I'm not looking for excuses. Statistics mean nothing without context - I won't even get into challenging how you measure 'happiness' and the obvious flaws around that, but to suggest because you have one bit of supportive data that is the end of discussion is a bit weird.

The bit in bold typifies my point; I'm sure many women today would sooner take on the challenge of working full time/expectant pressure than living entirely dependent on someone else, so to suggest that simpler = happier/better does not stack up.

Yeah, my last sentence was poorly expressed, apologies.

As for your last paragraph's sentiments. I think I answered that in my post. A percent of mostly middle class women will welcome that (some coming to regret it) while a huge number just don't....this can be seen in the decades long rejection of the term 'feminist' mainly because it was viewed as extreme.

However, once opposition to feminism was silenced by the media and institutions there has only been one voice on these matters and so more and more women are convinced of an ideology that actually results in less happiness, less children and a less content and probably less economically secured future.

 


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