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View sprites's Profile sprites Flag Auckland 19 Aug 21 9.16pm Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Not sure you can put Eze and Olise in the same bracket as Wilf, but it keeps happening.

Haven’t seen enough of Olise to comment, but I think you can absolutely put Eze in the same bracket. He’s an absolute player. Outshone Wilf for much of last season.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 19 Aug 21 11.57pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by sprites

Haven’t seen enough of Olise to comment, but I think you can absolutely put Eze in the same bracket. He’s an absolute player. Outshone Wilf for much of last season.

The most reasonable way to look at it is probably to set aside the (possibly incomparable?) sum total of what Zaha has contributed to Palace in his whole career, and just compare Zaha and Eze last season.

It's not a totally fair comparison as Zaha played upfront and Eze was playing wide, though you could argue that Wilf moved from the centre away from the goal to find space whilst Eze drifted in from the flank towards the goal.

Either way, the figures were:

League appearances - Zaha 30 Eze 34.
League Goals - Zaha 11 Eze 4.
Big chances created - Zaha 4 Eze 5.

In four less games Wilf got almost three times the goals Eze got without being found wanting when it comes to chance creation. Even things like tackles made might surprise - Zaha 26 Eze 27. Considering Eze was in midfield, and we hardly pressed from the front, Wilf put himself about as much as his younger teammate.

I loved watching Eze play, and like many I've found Wilf increasingly petulant and joyless in recent years but even at his apparent worst Zaha is significantly more productive and effective than Eze has yet shown he can be.

He can't play Sheffield United every week.

 

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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

The most reasonable way to look at it is probably to set aside the (possibly incomparable?) sum total of what Zaha has contributed to Palace in his whole career, and just compare Zaha and Eze last season.

It's not a totally fair comparison as Zaha played upfront and Eze was playing wide, though you could argue that Wilf moved from the centre away from the goal to find space whilst Eze drifted in from the flank towards the goal.

Either way, the figures were:

League appearances - Zaha 30 Eze 34.
League Goals - Zaha 11 Eze 4.
Big chances created - Zaha 4 Eze 5.

In four less games Wilf got almost three times the goals Eze got without being found wanting when it comes to chance creation. Even things like tackles made might surprise - Zaha 26 Eze 27. Considering Eze was in midfield, and we hardly pressed from the front, Wilf put himself about as much as his younger teammate.

I loved watching Eze play, and like many I've found Wilf increasingly petulant and joyless in recent years but even at his apparent worst Zaha is significantly more productive and effective than Eze has yet shown he can be.

He can't play Sheffield United every week.

Yeah, that's a fair post. But I think like you say, different roles. If we're looking at them more generally, I think it's pretty close now.

 

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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

The most reasonable way to look at it is probably to set aside the (possibly incomparable?) sum total of what Zaha has contributed to Palace in his whole career, and just compare Zaha and Eze last season.

It's not a totally fair comparison as Zaha played upfront and Eze was playing wide, though you could argue that Wilf moved from the centre away from the goal to find space whilst Eze drifted in from the flank towards the goal.

Either way, the figures were:

League appearances - Zaha 30 Eze 34.
League Goals - Zaha 11 Eze 4.
Big chances created - Zaha 4 Eze 5.

In four less games Wilf got almost three times the goals Eze got without being found wanting when it comes to chance creation. Even things like tackles made might surprise - Zaha 26 Eze 27. Considering Eze was in midfield, and we hardly pressed from the front, Wilf put himself about as much as his younger teammate.

I loved watching Eze play, and like many I've found Wilf increasingly petulant and joyless in recent years but even at his apparent worst Zaha is significantly more productive and effective than Eze has yet shown he can be.

He can't play Sheffield United every week.

Across the season as a whole that is fair, but I would argue it was a season of two halves with Zaha king in the first half and Eze the second. First half of the season Eze was adapting to the PL and sometimes went missing in games while Zaha seemed to have recaptured his top form. Then in the second half Wilf seemed unable to score, was easily stopped by most defenders and just seemed to wander around moaning. In contrast, the further the season went on the more Eze grew in stature and the by the end when he moved into the middle, for me, was outshining Zaha resulting in him (apparently) being about to get an England call up.

As others have said, they are different players and if they can both stay fit and with the option of Olise you can't help but get a little aroused at their potential.

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 20 Aug 21 8.54am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

I wasn't really, only in relative terms. Messi at Barca. Wilf at Palace. Could add Ronaldo at Real. Too much emphasis on one player equals long term issues that's all. Just my POV. Plenty will disagree.

Agree. Fairly sure you can trace Arsenals decline to Being overly reliant on Henry.

 

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I just hope that PV may have had a positive influence on him regarding his attitude.

We need him up and running to help avoid a disastrous start to the season.

 


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He is absolutely critical at the moment, and he needs to be involved in the game as much as possible against Brentford.

If not, I can't see where we get our 1st point from.

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 21 Aug 21 6.04pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by Crystal_Clear

He is absolutely critical at the moment, and he needs to be involved in the game as much as possible against Brentford.

If not, I can't see where we get our 1st point from.

I wasn't at Selhurst today, but judging by the critical comments on the match thread from some of you about Wilf's game it does seem like his attitude hasn't improved.

Patrick should take him on one side and make it plain that, unless he cuts out his petulant behaviour and concentrates on playing the quality football we all know he's capable of, then his days at Palace are numbered. Maybe the Chairman should tell him the facts of life too.

He's not doing himself any favours with his approach to the game, but what's worse he's not doing CPFC any favours either.

 


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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 21 Aug 21 6.33pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Couldn’t even out pace that big lump they had at the back in a 1 v 1.
I don’t think he’s lost a yard of pace, looks like 2 or 3.
His performance matched his attitude today, abysmal.
The “he’s just to good for you” , song , is sadly , now a thing of the past.

 

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Zaha has always struggled with officials decisions, with what we've seen so far this season from the refs he is not going to make Christmas.

 

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Originally posted by Tickled pink

Zaha has always struggled with officials decisions, with what we've seen so far this season from the refs he is not going to make Christmas.

We really need to sell him, he is seriously over rated.

 

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Originally posted by Casual

Couldn’t even out pace that big lump they had at the back in a 1 v 1.
I don’t think he’s lost a yard of pace, looks like 2 or 3.
His performance matched his attitude today, abysmal.
The “he’s just to good for you” , song , is sadly , now a thing of the past.

I totally agree... Some are still making excuses for him after today saying 'oh it's hard for him as he's double marked, triple marked blah blah blah'... Well not today he wasn't.. He just looked totally uninterested in anything apart from arguing with people.
His touch and decision making was terrible. He looks slow and unable to take people on. It was a stroll in the park for that tubby full back marking him today.

 


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