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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 22 Aug 21 5.30pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Mathers

The fact is Zaha is still our best player and most likely source of goals.

Not a fan of his petulance and the whinging is flat out embarrassing sometimes but this is not new. Heís been like this the last 10 years. Highly unlikely heís going to change his ways now.

I donít see how benching/selling our best player is going to help the team.


I'd like to amend that, if I may, and say that Wilf CAN still be our best player when he puts his mind to it. Unfortunately, his mind increasingly seems to be in the wrong place and yesterday it seemed to be a case of Zaha saying 'it's all about me' rather than 'it's all about the team'.

I can't see Vieira putting up with his moaning and antics in the longer term. Either Zaha grows up or he leaves (if someone will have him) or he may just find himself on the bench, especially once both Olise and Eze are up and running and fulfilling their potential.

 

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View General's Profile General Flag 22 Aug 21 5.49pm Send a Private Message to General Add General as a friend

This is crazy how much stick Zaha gets. I used to moan a lot and itís because most of the time a moan is because of something that should have happened to help us win a game..

Poor passes to him that break the momentum. Opportunities to get him in dangerous situations with a risky pass not completed. Fouls, endless fouls on him all game that donít produce the punishments deserved. Attacks stopped with fouls on him. Strikers not doing their job after he dies his.

Donít think weíve had too many players to consistently help keep us in a league season after season for heavens sake!

Eze is class but the only one near being able to tear apart an opposition is injured. Mili not scoring either now. Strikers scoring 1 in 3...Between them!!

Schlupp was no where near as dangerous as Zaha yesterday. Zaha created two clear easy goal chances that should have been banged in. Gallagher hit post, and a cross that Benteke didnít get across the front post for.

Iím sure Wilf will do his thing again no doubt his talent is one of the best Iíve ever seen in red and blue.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 22 Aug 21 7.05pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


I'd like to amend that, if I may, and say that Wilf CAN still be our best player when he puts his mind to it. Unfortunately, his mind increasingly seems to be in the wrong place and yesterday it seemed to be a case of Zaha saying 'it's all about me' rather than 'it's all about the team'.

I can't see Vieira putting up with his moaning and antics in the longer term. Either Zaha grows up or he leaves (if someone will have him) or he may just find himself on the bench, especially once both Olise and Eze are up and running and fulfilling their potential.

That sums it up perfectly, Eze is our best Player, Wilfs performance yesterday was an embarrassment, and with the new rules of letting the game flow we will see more petulance and more bookings.

 

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jeeagles Flag 22 Aug 21 7.28pm

Originally posted by General

This is crazy how much stick Zaha gets. I used to moan a lot and itís because most of the time a moan is because of something that should have happened to help us win a game..

Poor passes to him that break the momentum. Opportunities to get him in dangerous situations with a risky pass not completed. Fouls, endless fouls on him all game that donít produce the punishments deserved. Attacks stopped with fouls on him. Strikers not doing their job after he dies his.

Donít think weíve had too many players to consistently help keep us in a league season after season for heavens sake!

Eze is class but the only one near being able to tear apart an opposition is injured. Mili not scoring either now. Strikers scoring 1 in 3...Between them!!

Schlupp was no where near as dangerous as Zaha yesterday. Zaha created two clear easy goal chances that should have been banged in. Gallagher hit post, and a cross that Benteke didnít get across the front post for.

Iím sure Wilf will do his thing again no doubt his talent is one of the best Iíve ever seen in red and blue.

Completely agree. We have a lot of fans who seem waiting to stick the knife in. One of our greatest ever players. Without him we wouldn't be a premiership team.

Marked out of the game yesterday.

People seem to expect he should be working miracles every time he gets the ball.

Edited by jeeagles (22 Aug 2021 7.28pm)

 

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View xomnea's Profile xomnea Flag 22 Aug 21 7.37pm Send a Private Message to xomnea Add xomnea as a friend

I understand why this discussion divides opinion but for me, put simply, he's not our best player anymore and on yesterday's performance (and plenty from last season) he can barely 'do a job'.

People get rattled when he gets stick but no one is digging out the fact that he has been our stalwart/icon/hero for god knows how long.

Football is a constantly evolving game - Jedinak ended up forgetting how to pass a football (just like Luka has), Bolasie went with our best wishes and has done precisely zero since (albeit unlucky with injuries) and Glenn Murray was prime Gabriel Batistuta for us for about a year.

Things move on and for me another season of watching Zaha sulk about the place will be the worst outcome imaginable (both in football terms and business/economic terms). How many busy European wingers are there in the prem that get plucked from France/Spain/Wherever? Literally anyone that wants to run around and smash people and put a shift in should be getting in the team ahead of him.

He is not the same guy from the 'When Eagles Dare' era and thinking that he is anywhere near that level is what creates wildly conflicting opinions on the best way forward. My worst nightmare is he wanders off to Newcastle or Southampton on a free in a couple of seasons time - I'll be disillusioned if he's not managed out in a way that makes sense for all parties.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 22 Aug 21 7.58pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Perhaps thereís a dawning of a realisation for Wilf that this is as good as it gets - a lower to mid Premier League team when he has had aspirations to play Champions League football.
Heís appointed two high profile agents to engineer a move through their supposed Ďcontactsí and it still hasnít happened for him.
Itís possible that part of him resents Palace for holding him back, when in reality it seems to me that no top club has seriously wanted him.
The highest profile clubs in for him seems to be Arsenal under Emre and Everton under Silva.
Hardly top clubs.
In my view heís one of the best and certainly the most exciting player to wear the shirt in my 50 years of following the club, but unfortunately he now seems on a downward trend.
In a way itís a shame he didnít get a move a couple of years ago to e.g Man City.
I know weíd have been deprived of seeing him, but in the words of Marlon Brando from ĎOn the Waterfront Ď Iím sure heíd have been a contender at a Man C or Liverpool.

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 22 Aug 21 8.36pm Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

With Wilf on the field there is always the possibility that he will produce a magic touch which gets the goal that wins the game - this is why he is never benched or rarely substituted - however, his knowing that he is pretty much the first name on the team sheet (given his current attitude / performance levels) isn't necessarily the best thing for him.

The big questions (for me) are -
how much is his attitude contributing towards helping the team or is it just brassing everyone else off

&

if you drop him or substitute him during a game, will it fire him up to come back stronger or will he just drop deeper into sulk & moan land

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 22 Aug 21 9.13pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Completely agree. We have a lot of fans who seem waiting to stick the knife in. One of our greatest ever players. Without him we wouldn't be a premiership team.

Marked out of the game yesterday.

People seem to expect he should be working miracles every time he gets the ball.

Edited by jeeagles (22 Aug 2021 7.28pm)


I don't expect that of Wilf.
- I recognize that he's not the player he was.
- I recognize that he can still pull the occasional rabbit out of the hat
- I agree that he can be our best source of goals and goal chances
BUT
- I want to see him get on with the game instead of what he did a lot of yesterday which was whining and moaning at the referee and his own teammates when things didn't go his way. He did a fair amount of it in the second half of last season as well.

Edited by doombear (22 Aug 2021 9.14pm)

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 22 Aug 21 9.19pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

With Wilf on the field there is always the possibility that he will produce a magic touch which gets the goal that wins the game - this is why he is never benched or rarely substituted - however, his knowing that he is pretty much the first name on the team sheet (given his current attitude / performance levels) isn't necessarily the best thing for him.

The big questions (for me) are -
how much is his attitude contributing towards helping the team or is it just brassing everyone else off

&

if you drop him or substitute him during a game, will it fire him up to come back stronger or will he just drop deeper into sulk & moan land


Very valid questions and possibly ones PV might already be pondering. It was interesting how PV responded to a journalist who suggested Wilf had a poor game yesterday. He didn't agree but his defence of Wilf didn't seem to me to be that strong.

 

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View Bexley Eagle's Profile Bexley Eagle Flag Bexley Kent 23 Aug 21 11.05am Send a Private Message to Bexley Eagle Add Bexley Eagle as a friend

Given the new directive to refs to let the game flow it occurred to me that this will have a negative Palace more than most. Wilf will not be awarded the niggly fouls which will get his back up and Ayew will also not be awarded those soft fouls which he has been excellent in winning to get us up the pitch.

 

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View thai-eagle's Profile thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 23 Aug 21 1.55pm Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

Given Wilf's moaning and seemingly disinterest, maybe better he is leaving. Beside Kenny Sansom, Zaha is my all-time favorite Palace player and I feel really bad writing this.
But hopefully, Arsenal endures a loss or two more, panic, and pay up 50 mill. for our talisman.

 

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View CharlesPaterson's Profile CharlesPaterson Flag 23 Aug 21 3.18pm Send a Private Message to CharlesPaterson Add CharlesPaterson as a friend

Hate to say it but Wilf's departure seems inevitable now.

After Saturday's performance, where he was closely marked but not badly treated, he couldn't find a moment of magic against a solid Brentford. As the game wore on he became more and more frustrated and again allowed a few challenges to upset his rhythm.

His constant moaning to the ref has now spread to moaning at his team mates and although I rate him very highly he has to be sold.

Only snag is nobody seems to want him at our price level.

Only Arsenal seem interested but haven't they already spent most of their cash?

 

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