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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 07 Sep 21 8.49pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

1.25% point increase on employeesí and employersí National Insurance Contributions, a 10% increase on current rates, to pay for state subsidised social care. Given that itís only those employed and their employers that pay this tax and no one over 65, whether employed or not, pays it or not, is this fair? Unearned income such as rental profits, dividends, interest etc. not subject to NIC. A tax that only hits the younger, working, less wealthy population.

Given the demographic on here Iím sure youíre all delighted my generation will be working the next 30 years to pay for someone to wipe your arse in a couple of yearís time but thoughts on here? A manifesto pledge broken by Johnson but does anyone give a sh*t what he does or doesnít do or say?

Edited by DanH (07 Sep 2021 5.37pm)

I worked and paid NI for 44 years, Iím sure I have paid for plenty of arses to be wiped over that time.

 

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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 07 Sep 21 8.58pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290


Yep, the usual denial from the blinkered. Often looking in from the outside the real situation can be seen, it's called perspective of which you seem to have very little.

Address what I wrote, or carry on trolling. Your choice.

If you think that you know better than me, show me an alternative for this particular situation. How would the situation be better if we were still a member of the union of Europe? You think they would pay "to fix social care" for us? Or would it be more likely that UK would be helping to bail out failing economies in southern Europe? Making the matter worse for our own social care? You idealists just never think it through.

 


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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 07 Sep 21 9.49pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Of course, they could always cancel HS2, make people spend 20 minutes longer on their journeys, and solve the cost of social care and a few other things all in one fell swoop.......... or is that too easy?

No doubt DanH would still complain about oldies wasting his important time......

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 07 Sep 21 10.30pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

As a retired man whose income is partially dependent on rent generating property purchased with his pension fund, I can see why some consider this to be an unfair way of funding the very real changes that are needed.

My income is, of course, still fully taxed, and I paid both personal NI whilst employed, and Class 4 NI when running my businesses, alongside employer's NI for my staff.

So over the 52 years I was paying NI, I have contributed a lot. Which I did willingly, as I understand how this works.

Apart from my state pension (which is also subject to tax), I have never drawn a benefit, not even sick pay. I do, of course, benefit from the NHS.

So is this fair? The answer for me is both yes, and no. It's fair for the low to average income pensioner and no for the higher income pensioner.

But not just higher income pensioners ought to pay more. All higher earners, from whatever source and at whatever age, ought to pay a little more via income tax.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 07 Sep 21 11.12pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

1.25% point increase on employeesí and employersí National Insurance Contributions, a 10% increase on current rates, to pay for state subsidised social care. Given that itís only those employed and their employers that pay this tax and no one over 65, whether employed or not, pays it or not, is this fair? Unearned income such as rental profits, dividends, interest etc. not subject to NIC. A tax that only hits the younger, working, less wealthy population.

Given the demographic on here Iím sure youíre all delighted my generation will be working the next 30 years to pay for someone to wipe your arse in a couple of yearís time but thoughts on here? A manifesto pledge broken by Johnson but does anyone give a sh*t what he does or doesnít do or say?

Edited by DanH (07 Sep 2021 5.37pm)

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Unless you think Groucho more worth listening to than Karl. Youíve got it. Others havenít. Hand it over.

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 07 Sep 21 11.19pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Unless you think Groucho more worth listening to than Karl. Youíve got it. Others havenít. Hand it over.

Newly qualified graduates with student debt who earn over the £28k threshold now have a marginal tax rate of 42.25% with repayments taken into account. How is that generation ever meant to save to get on the housing ladder?

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 07 Sep 21 11.22pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Of course, they could always cancel HS2, make people spend 20 minutes longer on their journeys, and solve the cost of social care and a few other things all in one fell swoop.......... or is that too easy?

No doubt DanH would still complain about oldies wasting his important time......

HS2 is a monstrous waste of public money.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 07 Sep 21 11.27pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Newly qualified graduates with student debt who earn over the £28k threshold now have a marginal tax rate of 42.25% with repayments taken into account. How is that generation ever meant to save to get on the housing ladder?

This isnít the first generation in history.; itís always been the same. How was I supposed to get on the housing ladder when I started work in the 70s and earned £26.10 a week?

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 07 Sep 21 11.44pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

This isnít the first generation in history.; itís always been the same. How was I supposed to get on the housing ladder when I started work in the 70s and earned £26.10 a week?

It is much harder now. Itís been proven and confirmed by many different bodies. It isnít even difficult to prove. How many times more than average wages the cost of the average property, or any property.

In the Ď70s you didnít have 20 years of property speculation and the other reasons why supply compared to demand is low. You also had a lot of social housing.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Sep 2021 1.00am)

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 08 Sep 21 12.04am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Itís going to take a long time for this to sit right with everyone, but it will eventually. Young people will know that theyíre all covered for care when they get old, and those whoíve prospered or Ďdone the right thingsí as is often used, wonít get taxed heavily while others get it free - whether thatís because they just didnít prosper or didnít care about anything and always knew the state would support them.

But weíre at a time when young people are getting the rough end of a lot of sh1t while knowing that people will be keeping hundreds of thousands of pounds while theyíll be taxed more and maybe not get any inheritance themselves in the case of generations of families in social housing. Whether thatís through choice or bad choices or not falls into the why should they get free care question.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Sep 2021 12.05am)

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 08 Sep 21 12.15am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

This isnít the first generation in history.; itís always been the same. How was I supposed to get on the housing ladder when I started work in the 70s and earned £26.10 a week?

Have you seen the average wage to house price ratio over the last 50 years?

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 08 Sep 21 12.16am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Itís going to take a long time for this to sit right with everyone, but it will eventually. Young people will know that theyíre all covered for care when they get old, and those whoíve prospered or Ďdone the right thingsí as is often used, wonít get taxed heavily while others get it free - whether thatís because they just didnít prosper or didnít care about anything and always knew the state would support them.

But weíre at a time when young people are getting the rough end of a lot of sh1t while knowing that people will be keeping hundreds of thousands of pounds while theyíll be taxed more and maybe not get any inheritance themselves in the case of generations of families in social housing. Whether thatís through choice or bad choices or not falls into the why should they get free care question.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Sep 2021 12.05am)

Agree with a lot of this. The idea and principle is sound. How itís being funded in the short term really isnít.

 

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