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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Nov 21 12.09am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

That isn’t the point though. Will it still be regarded as banter in 12 years time? There is apparently no statute of limitations on what people decide is offensive and expect post dated retribution to be exacted.

Given the completely uncontroversial nature of it, I cannot see what could possibly cause offence, but that really isn't the point.

It's completely obvious that standards and expectations change over time. Most of us don't really notice until it's pointed out. We just adapt, and our behaviour evolves, as society evolves.

Maybe 50 years ago my bowls club would have been awash with racist banter, but it isn't now.

You are though quite wrong about people wanting "post dated retribution to be exacted". I certainly don't, and I don't believe Rafiq does either, but he won't be the one to decide what happens, any more than either of us.

Rafiq was the messenger. The message has been received and will now be acted on. Not to punish those caught up in a cultural situation in which cricket has failed to evolve with society in general. Along with a few other dinosaurs, some of whom live in a cave called the Hol.

You know what happens to those who fail to evolve, don't you? That's why cricket is taking this so seriously. They need to adapt to thrive in a new environment.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 24 Nov 21 12.24am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

It's kind of amusing in a way.

The guy who wants to restrict speech he doesn't like gets to come onto a site that believes in free speech much more than him and gets to bore the t1ts off people with his fantasy puritanism.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Nov 2021 12.25am)

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Nov 21 12.25am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

When situations still exist in which people regard racist remarks as banter, it is less true today. There were excuses in the past, which don't exist now.

As an academic, who clearly believes his writing to be superior to most others, you really ought to make the effort to recognise subtle differences in the meaning of words.

As verbs, the difference between despise and hate is that despise is to regard with contempt, or scorn, while hate is to dislike intensely or greatly.

It might appear subtle, or to you non-existent, but it's actually quite important.

What are the subjects which are still acceptable as banter?

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Nov 21 12.44am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Given the completely uncontroversial nature of it, I cannot see what could possibly cause offence, but that really isn't the point.

It's completely obvious that standards and expectations change over time. Most of us don't really notice until it's pointed out. We just adapt, and our behaviour evolves, as society evolves.

Maybe 50 years ago my bowls club would have been awash with racist banter, but it isn't now.

You are though quite wrong about people wanting "post dated retribution to be exacted". I certainly don't, and I don't believe Rafiq does either, but he won't be the one to decide what happens, any more than either of us.

Rafiq was the messenger. The message has been received and will now be acted on. Not to punish those caught up in a cultural situation in which cricket has failed to evolve with society in general. Along with a few other dinosaurs, some of whom live in a cave called the Hol.

You know what happens to those who fail to evolve, don't you? That's why cricket is taking this so seriously. They need to adapt to thrive in a new environment.

All retribution is post-dated but Rafiq has urged for Vaughan’s suspension for an alleged remark he made over a decade ago.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Nov 21 8.48am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's kind of amusing in a way.

The guy who wants to restrict speech he doesn't like gets to come onto a site that believes in free speech much more than him and gets to bore the t1ts off people with his fantasy puritanism.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Nov 2021 12.25am)

Struggling with the meaning of words again?

Puritanism, a religious reform movement in the late 16th and 17th centuries that sought to “purify” the Church of England of remnants of the Roman Catholic “popery” that the Puritans claimed had been retained after the religious settlement reached early in the reign of Queen Elizabeth I.

It wasn't a fantasy, and I have not yet seen a post on it here.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Nov 21 8.52am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

All retribution is post-dated but Rafiq has urged for Vaughan’s suspension for an alleged remark he made over a decade ago.

Post-dated was your adjective. I just quoted it. Rafiq was asked a question by a journalist. I doubt he is actually urging the BBC to do that, but was caught on the hop. That happens to all of us.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Nov 21 8.54am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

What are the subjects which are still acceptable as banter?

There's no answer to that. It depends on the context.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Nov 21 9.12am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Post-dated was your adjective. I just quoted it. Rafiq was asked a question by a journalist. I doubt he is actually urging the BBC to do that, but was caught on the hop. That happens to all of us.

If he was misinterpreted he should say so.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Nov 21 9.17am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There's no answer to that. It depends on the context.

That’s the whole issue.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Struggling with the meaning of words again?

Puritanism, a religious reform movement in the late 16th and 17th centuries that sought to “purify” the Church of England of remnants of the Roman Catholic “popery” that the Puritans claimed had been retained after the religious settlement reached early in the reign of Queen Elizabeth I.

It wasn't a fantasy, and I have not yet seen a post on it here.

Childish.

Puritanical is a term that is used well beyond the historical reference.

One definition: having or displaying a very strict or censorious moral attitude towards self-indulgence or sex.

It can be equally applied to a similar attitude toward language and race related matters.

Try not to be so antagonistic and wrong.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That you claim to possess common sense, and then, on the very next line, say that racism is just a buzz word, proves you don't have any!

I am neither spinning nor enforcing anything. I am expressing opinions. No-one will enforce things, let alone me. They will lead the way forward by establishing new oversight and training.

Your last line? See Rule 7.

Look beyond the agenda and headlines.

Do you seriously believe that the kind of school boy antagonisms discussed here deserve to be called racism?

Of course we have all become more race sensitive, primarily because we have far more immigrants here. There is no doubt that insulting people using race related antagonisms is as unacceptable as any other insult in most situations. The one exception is when all parties deem any kind of insult as acceptable in a given situation, such as between good friends or colleagues.

Trying to pretend that these kinds of situations don't exist is simply dishonest. That is why the claims of Rafiq are so questionable, as he appears to have become offended retrospectively, whereas at the time he was happy to indulge in similar language toward others and be a willing participant in the 'banter' of that time.

It's no good just saying that racial antagonisms are no longer acceptable because that ignores the dynamics of a particular relationship. Furthermore, we are talking about conversations that happened several years ago, before the age of potty wokeism.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 24 Nov 21 12.22pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Struggling with the meaning of words again?

Puritanism, a religious reform movement in the late 16th and 17th centuries that sought to “purify” the Church of England of remnants of the Roman Catholic “popery” that the Puritans claimed had been retained after the religious settlement reached early in the reign of Queen Elizabeth I.

It wasn't a fantasy, and I have not yet seen a post on it here.

Seriously? You had to look that up?

If you haven't seen that word being used to describe strict moralities then that's display of your ignorance rather then any word misuse from me.

 


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