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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 11 Nov 21 8.00pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That’s just another ad hominem! Call someone a "liar", "dishonest" and "hypocritical" but refuse to say how or where.

I believe you are all of those things, but do try to point out why.

The only point of agreement is that I am quite happy for others to read and think it through. Even though I doubt whether your colleagues in the sorry little extreme right cabal that you inhabit here will publicly acknowledge anything but contempt for me, and reverence for you, I am content that privately a few might get the points. That's enough.

I've explained all of those multiple times.

Arguing with the dishonest is pointless. I'm happy for your own posts to reveal the above for those interested enough to read them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Nov 2021 8.01pm)

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Nov 21 8.14pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've explained all of those multiple times.

Arguing with the dishonest is pointless. I'm happy for your own posts to reveal the above for those interested enough to read them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Nov 2021 8.01pm)

No it's not. It's essential. It's what I do here a lot, and will again now.

I think you routinely regard opinions that don't match your own as being dishonest, and that this is, of itself, dishonest.

Dishonesty needs to be called out and exposed, lest lies come to be regarded as truths.

Don't concern yourself, though. If you choose not to justify yourself, you won't be missed. Not by me, anyway.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Nov 21 11.34pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

The mention of Viktor Orban as a model for how we could solve our illegal immigration problems a little earlier prompted me to do some background reading on him. I confess that although I knew a little about him, I didn't know enough. What he has done in Hungary might appeal to some, but behind that he has feathered his own, and his key supporter's, nests and set up the country for bankruptcy when he is eventually kicked out. Hungary is already a mess and is certain to become a much bigger one. Orban doesn't care about his country. He only cares about power.

In my opinion, this ought to serve as a warning to us all not to become complacent. It's easy to assume it couldn't happen here, but it nearly did in the USA, with Trump. We need to be politically interested and active.

If you have some time, please read this:-https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/why-conservatives-around-the-world-have-embraced-hungarys-viktor-orban

The idea that this immoral man man be put in charge of dealing with anything for us makes me shudder. If that's a glimpse of our future, then we need to work to change direction asap.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 12 Nov 21 8.07am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If only it was that easy!

We are trying to stop the illegals. It's not a lack of desire, it's the scale and complexity of the task, together with our obligations under international conventions, that is the problem. Determined people will usually find a way around whatever barriers are erected, given enough time. This needs to be done at source and not at the destination. Which is why we require the willing help of our neighbours and of those countries which serve as the entry points. I know you don't like hearing it, but Brexit hasn't helped us at all.

Passing it back to local embassies is, regrettably, impractical. Visas used to be handled this way (Spiderman will be able to speak more authoritatively than me) but has now been placed in the hands of commercial agencies who ensure all the documentation is correct before the decisions are taken remotely. Staff numbers at embassies are no longer sufficient, or skilled enough, to deal with this.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (11 Nov 2021 3.14pm)

Your last paragraph is correct and you also lose the local knowledge picked up by Visa Officers.
I am not sure Brexit is to blame, the French, have always been “reluctant “ to stop the migrants. Don’t forget that, despite Brexit, we are giving the French £millions per year to stop it.
I do not know how anyone can claim the illegal Albanians are genuine refugees.
As a little aside, when they arrive off the dinghies, they are all given new tracksuit type clothing, these are examples of what my wife has been told when handing these out: “ What no shoes?” “ I need money and a house not these” “ you expect me to wear this”. Genuine refugees or economic migrants taking the mick? You decide

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 12 Nov 21 8.11am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Relevance about mayor khants attitude it is though.
He a dick.

Don’t you mean Saddick?

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Nov 21 9.05am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

1000 illegals arrived here yesterday. A new record. It's November.

I think it's time to dump these people back where they came from.

Most of them are chancers looking for a hand out.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Nov 21 9.46am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Your last paragraph is correct and you also lose the local knowledge picked up by Visa Officers.
I am not sure Brexit is to blame, the French, have always been “reluctant “ to stop the migrants. Don’t forget that, despite Brexit, we are giving the French £millions per year to stop it.
I do not know how anyone can claim the illegal Albanians are genuine refugees.
As a little aside, when they arrive off the dinghies, they are all given new tracksuit type clothing, these are examples of what my wife has been told when handing these out: “ What no shoes?” “ I need money and a house not these” “ you expect me to wear this”. Genuine refugees or economic migrants taking the mick? You decide

Whilst I completely agree that Brexit isn't to blame for this situation, what I said, and believe, is that it hasn't helped. I realise we are paying the French to patrol their waters, but I cannot imagine they do so with too much enthusiasm.

How we filter out those who are genuine asylum seekers from the economic opportunists must be a nightmare of a task, and I don't envy your wife, or anyone else, having to do it. Facing those kinds of questions and being pretty sure that our compassion is being abused must be frustrating at best.

With the reported numbers hitting record levels, getting the new arrangements through Parliament and into law becomes urgent. Then we can use the method of arrival as a determinant in deciding whether to grant asylum, or order deportation.

Attacking the issue at source, rather than at destination, seems to me to be the only truly effective way of dealing with this properly. That requires international action to find and destroy the criminal gangs running the operations. What is happening behind the scenes isn't known to me, but I would be surprised if nothing was being done. Clearly, though, it hasn't yet bourne fruit.

 

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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 12 Nov 21 12.12pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whilst I completely agree that Brexit isn't to blame for this situation, what I said, and believe, is that it hasn't helped. I realise we are paying the French to patrol their waters, but I cannot imagine they do so with too much enthusiasm.

How we filter out those who are genuine asylum seekers from the economic opportunists must be a nightmare of a task, and I don't envy your wife, or anyone else, having to do it. Facing those kinds of questions and being pretty sure that our compassion is being abused must be frustrating at best.

With the reported numbers hitting record levels, getting the new arrangements through Parliament and into law becomes urgent. Then we can use the method of arrival as a determinant in deciding whether to grant asylum, or order deportation.

Attacking the issue at source, rather than at destination, seems to me to be the only truly effective way of dealing with this properly. That requires international action to find and destroy the criminal gangs running the operations. What is happening behind the scenes isn't known to me, but I would be surprised if nothing was being done. Clearly, though, it hasn't yet bourne fruit.

Nor will it ever, with this corrupt lieing government!!

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Nov 21 1.30pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian

Nor will it ever, with this corrupt lieing government!!

Although it has nothing to do with this subject, and possibly deserves its own, I find it interesting that those I would have imagined cheering this government to the rafters as they "Got Brexit done" are now saying this kind of thing. For you are not the first.

I find it quite encouraging that Johnson and his crew are being exposed and hounded like this. They were always a bunch of political charlatans, both during and after Brexit, but it's good to see all sides in agreement.

With Corbyn also relegated to the pages of history, maybe our politics can reacquire some decency and common purpose again. When Johnson gets dumped of course. It's coming!

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Nov 21 2.22pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Your last paragraph is correct and you also lose the local knowledge picked up by Visa Officers.
I am not sure Brexit is to blame, the French, have always been “reluctant “ to stop the migrants. Don’t forget that, despite Brexit, we are giving the French £millions per year to stop it.
I do not know how anyone can claim the illegal Albanians are genuine refugees.
As a little aside, when they arrive off the dinghies, they are all given new tracksuit type clothing, these are examples of what my wife has been told when handing these out: “ What no shoes?” “ I need money and a house not these” “ you expect me to wear this”. Genuine refugees or economic migrants taking the mick? You decide

We should also give them Afro wigs & stick on tache's and then bus them up to Liverpool

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 12 Nov 21 4.26pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

We should also give them Afro wigs & stick on tache's and then bus them up to Liverpool

Carrrrm down Jimmy

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 12 Nov 21 8.49pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Lanzarote is a nice place to live, good weather, cheap cost of living, low crime rate, all immigrants sent back to morocco or to Madrid, to make their way up to the French border, good healthcare, a little rock in the middle of the Atlantic, which nobody cares about, subsidised by the EU, give it a go if you meet criteria. you wont regret it.

 

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