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 georgenorman  17 Dec 21 11.32am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The UK system has less in common with democracy than Blackadder and The Rump. For real change there would have to be a revolution. Count me in, but I think most modern revolutionaries wouldn't make it beyond the nearest ATM.
The EU cannot be described as democratic, as those who propose and frame its laws are not elected by the European people. The MEPs that they do elect are virtually powerless, just stooges.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 17 Dec 21 11.46am |
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I was not expecting much because of covid. So a very good turn-out. The 34% swing I can't remember anything like that, so fundamental imo.
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| Mapletree Croydon 17 Dec 21 1.40pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Bit of a stretch here Steeleye. This was a typical mid term by election defeat. I doubt the voters were thinking about the EU and even the migrant boats. This was a straight forward bloody nose for a government from a very pissed off public, it happens. Matov is right Boris is not down and out just yet, besides the Tory backstabbers don't fancy taking over whilst the pandemic still rages. They will oust him in sometime later next year when things have calmed down.
Edited by Badger11 (17 Dec 2021 10.39am) Typical this was not I don't think the Tories had prepared for a possible need to replace Paterson so had to bus in someone from Birmingham. Add that to all the other issues, they had a complete melt-down that has only happened to this extent 7 times since the War.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 17 Dec 21 2.24pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Typical this was not I don't think the Tories had prepared for a possible need to replace Paterson so had to bus in someone from Birmingham. Add that to all the other issues, they had a complete melt-down that has only happened to this extent 7 times since the War. The beauty of this is obviously bungle shot himself in the foot, trying to change the rules instead of letting the crooked CON take a month off- priceless!
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cryrst  The garden of England 17 Dec 21 5.19pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think that's basically right. Often those who are anti EU are painted as anti Europe when that's a lazy connection. Thatcher for example, started out as very much for the EU until she realised that the project was destined to essentially be anti most of her ideas. I think the EU could have worked far better if it had been far looser. Which is why Cameron gave us a vote on brexit. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Dec 2021 11.15am)
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Teddy Eagle  17 Dec 21 6.15pm |
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| Matov 17 Dec 21 9.41pm |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
The beauty of this is obviously bungle shot himself in the foot, trying to change the rules instead of letting the crooked CON take a month off- priceless! It was a horrendous decision. An absolutely fundamental misjudgment of the political mood with many of his own MP's furious with him. Shocking misjudgment and now, he is paying the full price. Throw in the rebellion against this current round of Covid restrictions and he is clearly a man with a LOT of work to do.
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| Mapletree Croydon 18 Dec 21 12.22am |
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Originally posted by Matov
It was a horrendous decision. An absolutely fundamental misjudgment of the political mood with many of his own MP's furious with him. Shocking misjudgment and now, he is paying the full price. Throw in the rebellion against this current round of Covid restrictions and he is clearly a man with a LOT of work to do. Well at least we know he is famed for his diligence, hard work and attention to detail. He’ll be fine…
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 18 Dec 21 5.23am |
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Originally posted by Matov
It was a horrendous decision. An absolutely fundamental misjudgment of the political mood with many of his own MP's furious with him. Shocking misjudgment and now, he is paying the full price. Throw in the rebellion against this current round of Covid restrictions and he is clearly a man with a LOT of work to do. BJ actually wore a face mask on the interview shown yesterday, which is something
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| steeleye20 Croydon 18 Dec 21 11.04am |
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“when you peek behind the curtain, Tories are privileged, sneering elites who take the rest of us for fools”. From the tory front bench. They get it, the voters are yet to. Austerity, Brexit and Boris. The 'majority' have a lot to answer for.
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| cryrst The garden of England 18 Dec 21 11.06am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
“when you peek behind the curtain, Tories are privileged, sneering elites who take the rest of us for fools”. From the tory front bench. They get it, the voters are yet to. Austerity, Brexit and Boris. The 'majority' have a lot to answer for.
Like money in their pockets with no threat of it being taxed away.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 18 Dec 21 12.19pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Like money in their pockets with no threat of it being taxed away. The largest increase in taxation under Johnson since the post WW2 recovery. Plenty more to come. All you will be left with are a pile of debts and an arm like a second-hand dart-board.
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