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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 23 Dec 22 1.49pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Since the latest tory incarnation the UK economy has continued to shrink and borrowing is 22 billions a month and rising.

Never mind there will be a flight to Rwanda with some unfortunate on it in 2023.

The tories clearly relevant and tackling the issues, like Colonel Bob, which were all caused by Tony Blair and Putin.

Nothing works in the UK works anymore does it Rishi, still not mentioning the war I mean brexit.

Flash suits and bankers bonuses, soak the poor and borrow like there is no tomorrow.

The lockdown policies of the Tories that have caused all the debt were supported by Labour - they would just have run up even more debt as they wanted the printing of money and handouts to go even further.

 

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Originally posted by georgenorman

The lockdown policies of the Tories that have caused all the debt were supported by Labour - they would just have run up even more debt as they wanted the printing of money and handouts to go even further.

And we’re they not in favour of extending the lockdown period?

 

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footythoughts Flag Beckenham 23 Dec 22 2.25pm

I can well understand people ruling out voting for the opposition, but ultimately a party in power still has to be judged on what they do, not what various other parties might have in their shoes. It all gets a bit stockholm syndrome-y beyond a point.

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Since the latest tory incarnation the UK economy has continued to shrink and borrowing is 22 billions a month and rising.

Never mind there will be a flight to Rwanda with some unfortunate on it in 2023.

The tories clearly relevant and tackling the issues, like Colonel Bob, which were all caused by Tony Blair and Putin.

Nothing works in the UK works anymore does it Rishi, still not mentioning the war I mean brexit.

Flash suits and bankers bonuses, soak the poor and borrow like there is no tomorrow.


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From where does the government borrow billions?
21 November 2019
Updated 21 December 2022
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The UK government faces a gap between how much it raises in taxes and what it plans to spend.
To bridge this gap it needs to borrow money.
Why does the government have to borrow?
The government gets most of its income from taxes - for example, workers pay income tax, everyone pays VAT on certain goods, and companies pay tax on their profits.
It could, in theory, cover all of its spending from taxes - and in some years that happens.
But if it cannot do that, it needs to either raise taxes or cut spending, both of which are generally unpopular.
Higher taxes also mean people have less money to spend, so businesses make less profit, which can be bad for jobs and wages. Lower profits also mean they pay less tax too.
So governments often choose to borrow to boost the economy if it looks like it might be at risk of slowing down.
Governments also borrow to fund major long-term projects such as new railways and roads, which it also hopes will help the economy to grow.
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The government borrows money by selling financial products called bonds.
A bond is a promise to pay money in the future. Most require the borrower to make regular interest payments in the meantime.
UK government bonds - known as "gilts" - are normally seen as very safe, with little risk the money will not be repaid.
Gilts are mainly bought by financial institutions in the UK and abroad, such as pension funds, investment funds, banks and insurance companies.
The Bank of England has also bought trillions of pounds' worth of government bonds in the past to support the economy, through a process called "quantitative easing".
For example, in response to the financial turmoil caused by the government's mini-budget in September, the Bank bought gilts at an "urgent pace" to help restore what it called "orderly market conditions".
However, since then it has resumed its previous plan to sell off some of the bonds it holds.
Does it matter if governments borrow more?
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In November 2022, the government borrowed £22bn, £13.9bn more than in November 2021.
However, figures for the financial year to date show that - in the eight months to November - the government borrowed £105.4bn - £7bn less than in the same period of 2021.
The total amount the government owes is called the national debt. It is currently £2.47 trillion.
That is nearly as much as the value of all the goods and services produced in the UK in a year, known as GDP.
Some economists fear the government is borrowing too much, at too great a cost.
Others argue extra borrowing helps the economy grow faster - generating more tax revenue in the long run.
However, the larger the national debt gets, the more interest the government has to pay on the money it has borrowed.
The interest on government debt in November 2022 rose to £7.3bn, the highest figure since 1997.
"Since mid-2021, the cost of servicing central government debt has increased considerably," the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.
The government is expected to spend more than £100bn in 2022 and 2023 on debt interest - more than it spends on education.
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This can fund extra government spending, such as helping with higher energy bills or paying some of the wages of people who could not work during Covid.
But most economists and politicians agree that debt cannot keep growing for ever, because at some point it will become impossible to keep paying the interest.
Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has blamed the "twin global emergencies of a pandemic and Putin's war in Ukraine" for driving up the government's costs.
He has said that he plans to get debt falling relative to the size of the economy "over the medium term".
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The deficit is the amount by which the government's income falls short of what it spends.
Borrowing covers most of this gap, or sometimes it sells assets such as property.
In years when a government spends less than its income, it has what is known as a surplus.
Debt is the total amount of money owed by the government that has built up over years.
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Wtf just Google hmg borrowing and it’s not 22 b per month. That was November alone.
Lies , lies and damn lies.


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In the annals of tory incompetence 2022 is out of sight

Five education secretaries.

Four chancellors.

Three prime ministers.

Two Tory leadership coups.

And one massive economic shambles in a pear tree.

The more of them there are, the worse they become.

Backbencher of the year 2022 Tory Lee Andersen 'people only use food banks because they can't cook or budget properly'.


 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

In the annals of tory incompetence 2022 is out of sight

Five education secretaries.

Four chancellors.

Three prime ministers.

Two Tory leadership coups.

And one massive economic shambles in a pear tree.

The more of them there are, the worse they become.

Backbencher of the year 2022 Tory Lee Andersen 'people only use food banks because they can't cook or budget properly'.


Unfortunately there isn't a great deal of evidence around who uses foodbanks and why.

Let me be clear I am not saying all people who use foodbanks are scroungers. The well meaning charities will point out that you have to be referred so this stops that, however does it?

Most foodbanks say you have to be referred by:

1.Your Doctor
2. Your local faith leader e.g. priest / Rabbi etc
3. Your MP
4, Others

Starting with 1 and 2 they are not investigators how would know they know if you are lying?

Your doctor ? Who has a doctor? I see a different one every time they don't know my current medical condition let alone my personal circumstances. Suppose my GP did suspect I was lying would he be brave enough not to refer me and risk his career?

The same applies to faith leaders would they actually dare to say say no?

As for your MP well call me cynical but if you are an opposition MP it is in your own interests to refer people to foodbanks so you can then berate the government.

The bottom line is that a lot of noise is made about foodbanks and I don't doubt that they are needed however the checks and balances around who uses them are non existent.

 


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Originally posted by steeleye20

In the annals of tory incompetence 2022 is out of sight

Five education secretaries.

Four chancellors.

Three prime ministers.

Two Tory leadership coups.

And one massive economic shambles in a pear tree.

The more of them there are, the worse they become.

Backbencher of the year 2022 Tory Lee Andersen 'people only use food banks because they can't cook or budget properly'.


That's true for some. If you don't know that then you have never been at the tough end.

I have to say steely that the MP said nothing wrong here and in my view it was quite mistaken to go after him.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That's true for some. If you don't know that then you have never been at the tough end.

I have to say steely that the MP said nothing wrong here and in my view it was quite mistaken to go after him.

He is actually voted by Tory members so it is more accurate to say Tory backbencher of the year.


 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

He is actually voted by Tory members so it is more accurate to say Tory backbencher of the year.


They are all useless regardless of party.

Modern day politics attracts ideologs instead of talent.

 


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Originally posted by steeleye20

In the annals of tory incompetence 2022 is out of sight

Five education secretaries.

Four chancellors.

Three prime ministers.

Two Tory leadership coups.

And one massive economic shambles in a pear tree.

The more of them there are, the worse they become.

Backbencher of the year 2022 Tory Lee Andersen 'people only use food banks because they can't cook or budget properly'.


So everyone using food banks CAN cook or CAN budget and they’re just poor.
You actually believe that do you?

 

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Desperate, down and out and starving, I took HOL advice and queued up all night to get into Try MP Colonel Bob's surgery.

What do you want, you 'orrible little man.

I tried to explain, he rattled the tin, I put my last coin in.

Well what do you want, you miserable little worm.

I'm hungry.

Listen, don't waste my time I served in the Balkans.

The sooner we send sc*m like you to Rwanda, the better.

Food bank? What's that, try Barclays in the High Street.

But I can't take any more.

Oh alright, I'll give you a chit, but you can only have 2 small cans of baked beans.

How about a career in investment banking?

And?

What?

'Get your hair cut'


 

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How much longer to we have to put up with the appalling House of Lords.

One in 10 Tory peers have given more than £100,000 to their party
27 members of House of Lords have donated almost £50m in total to Conservatives

Any idea that their lordships are wise independent people who serve us I can't imagine how, are as ridiculous as they are.

The ‘indefensibles’: donors, cronies and lackeys embody the case to abolish Lords.

Let's get rid of them.

 

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