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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Quite obviously cutting spending means cutting government spending! Just thinking you can dismiss things as ďunnecessaryĒ or ďinefficientĒ isnít good enough. Thatís been the claim of oppositions since time began. You need to be specific. Very specific. What services will you cut or abandon? How much will be saved and how much tax cut as a result?

Well for starters, let's abolish the Scottish Parliament and save c£15 billion a year, the Welsh Assembly c£16 billion, Northern Ireland Assembly c£15 billion, London Assembly and Mayor £20 billion, Manchester Authority and Mayor £250 million, Police Commissioners £100 million, Ministry of Women & Equality c£17 million.

 

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Originally posted by georgenorman

Well for starters, let's abolish the Scottish Parliament and save c£15 billion a year, the Welsh Assembly c£16 billion, Northern Ireland Assembly c£15 billion, London Assembly and Mayor £20 billion, Manchester Authority and Mayor £250 million, Police Commissioners £100 million, Ministry of Women & Equality c£17 million.

All the things they do would still need to be done so how do you know those savings exist? It could cost more. It would be unlikely to be done without holding several local referendums, which themselves cost and could fail. Abolishing local oversight of policing is unlikely to be too popular so good luck to the government that attempts that. Women and minorities also vote so limiting their voice isnít going to be popular with people capable of making a lot of noise.

There are no easy savings. Time has proven that.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

All the things they do would still need to be done so how do you know those savings exist? It could cost more. It would be unlikely to be done without holding several local referendums, which themselves cost and could fail. Abolishing local oversight of policing is unlikely to be too popular so good luck to the government that attempts that. Women and minorities also vote so limiting their voice isnít going to be popular with people capable of making a lot of noise.

There are no easy savings. Time has proven that.

Many of the things that they do don't need to be done. When they do need to be done, they are done inefficiently, expensively and incompetently. Many of those things could be done by the private sector, more efficiently, at less cost and more competently. Before the rise of region parliaments, Mayors, Police Commissioners and other jobs for the boys, functions were carried out by the existing authorities and could be again.

I see you want referendums! Something you have endlessly condemned since 2016.

The abolition of Police Commissioners would be welcomed by the public and the police and everyone else, apart from the overpaid, pointless commissioners themselves (and a few left wing crackpots).

Similarly, hardly anyone gives a fig about the Ministry of Women & Equality.

There are very easy savings to be made. Time has proven that.

 

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Originally posted by georgenorman

Many of the things that they do don't need to be done. When they do need to be done, they are done inefficiently, expensively and incompetently. Many of those things could be done by the private sector, more efficiently, at less cost and more competently. Before the rise of region parliaments, Mayors, Police Commissioners and other jobs for the boys, functions were carried out by the existing authorities and could be again.

I see you want referendums! Something you have endlessly condemned since 2016.

The abolition of Police Commissioners would be welcomed by the public and the police and everyone else, apart from the overpaid, pointless commissioners themselves (and a few left wing crackpots).

Similarly, hardly anyone gives a fig about the Ministry of Women & Equality.

There are very easy savings to be made. Time has proven that.

I donít want referendums. I just know thatís what would happen. Privatisation hasnít always delivered cheaper public services. Itís often delivered profiteering and a desire to return to public ownership.

You thinking you know what would be welcomed by everyone just indicates how naive you are. It just isnít true.

There are always some savings to be made and inefficiencies to be rooted out. There are indeed a lot in the public sector but itís never straightforward to do so. Thinking that there are massive savings just waiting to be tapped is dreamland. If it was that easy it would have been done by now.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I donít want referendums. I just know thatís what would happen. Privatisation hasnít always delivered cheaper public services. Itís often delivered profiteering and a desire to return to public ownership.

You thinking you know what would be welcomed by everyone just indicates how naive you are. It just isnít true.

There are always some savings to be made and inefficiencies to be rooted out. There are indeed a lot in the public sector but itís never straightforward to do so. Thinking that there are massive savings just waiting to be tapped is dreamland. If it was that easy it would have been done by now.

Have a referendum on Police Commissioners - they would be gone, it is only naive left-wing crackpots who deny it.

It has not been done because the political will is not there. Of course there are massive savings just waiting to be made, it is dreamland to think otherwise.

Another saving would be to shut down Tate Modern and flog off its contents to gullible fools.

Edited by georgenorman (16 Mar 2024 5.55pm)

 

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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I have worked at several levels of employment at local Council level for several councils. The waste of resources is enormous, and I have reason to believe it's the same in Local government and National government level.
When I raised concerns at council level, my employment contract wasn't renewed.
Now I am back with a different Council, and I keep my mouth shut and just do the work.
The people around me would never survive in the commercial sector. They have a reasonably high standard of living, with additional perks, and job security. Flexi-hours and working from home are still being used, and overtime still being claimed
Why would they want to change anything ?

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (16 Mar 2024 9.41am)

I can confirm this. A builder mate of mine used to work for a local Hospital doing small to medium jobs. They outsourced it by tender and low and behold the hospital now pays 10x more for the same jobs. As an example, my mate installed several road signs, the works manager, someone I knew, told me that they paid 12x as much as my mate charged and it took longer and 3 of them needed re-doing or had been put in the wrong way round! As you said he can't complain. Its a licence to print money getting a contract for government.

 

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Originally posted by The groover

I can confirm this. A builder mate of mine used to work for a local Hospital doing small to medium jobs. They outsourced it by tender and low and behold the hospital now pays 10x more for the same jobs. As an example, my mate installed several road signs, the works manager, someone I knew, told me that they paid 12x as much as my mate charged and it took longer and 3 of them needed re-doing or had been put in the wrong way round! As you said he can't complain. Its a licence to print money getting a contract for government.

Maybe the system allows such waste. Budgets need spending as proof you need what you need next year. Well thatís how a laymen put it to me a few years ago. Not sure if itís true but if so I would think carrying dosh over would be better.

 

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Originally posted by georgenorman

The trouble is that we will hardly notice the difference between the current Tory government and the incoming Labour government. We are overgoverned, overtaxed and constantly lied to.

Yes

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I have worked at several levels of employment at local Council level for several councils. The waste of resources is enormous, and I have reason to believe it's the same in Local government and National government level.
When I raised concerns at council level, my employment contract wasn't renewed.
Now I am back with a different Council, and I keep my mouth shut and just do the work.
The people around me would never survive in the commercial sector. They have a reasonably high standard of living, with additional perks, and job security. Flexi-hours and working from home are still being used, and overtime still being claimed
Why would they want to change anything ?

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (16 Mar 2024 9.41am)

Fair play for raising concerns and it's a sad state of affairs. As you say, who within the system and benefitting from it would support any change to the gravy train.

I agree that it's likely same in all levels of government, local and national.

Politicians have been talking of savings and productivity improvement for decades just never seems to happen.

Outsourcing has often proved to be worse, look at Serco

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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If you want proper savings stop giving people free money.

Ever since the pandemic started the government has given billions to people and businesses, no wonder there are record numbers of people not working, why would you?

 


One more point

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Originally posted by The groover

I can confirm this. A builder mate of mine used to work for a local Hospital doing small to medium jobs. They outsourced it by tender and low and behold the hospital now pays 10x more for the same jobs. As an example, my mate installed several road signs, the works manager, someone I knew, told me that they paid 12x as much as my mate charged and it took longer and 3 of them needed re-doing or had been put in the wrong way round! As you said he can't complain. Its a licence to print money getting a contract for government.

While the sums pale into nothing compared to the corruption in the US defence world, the way the NHS is accounted can produce shocking results.

I met a bloke who was engaged in a air conditoning replacement project in a major hospital. Nothing wrong with the current one that a few tweaks couldn't improve. However, they were coming to the end of the financial year. Through good stewardship of the purse they hade done really well and had saved plenty. Trouble is, the following year's budget is set by reference to how much you have spent in this one. So, they had to find a pointless capital expense to ensure the surplus was spunked in order to preserve their budget.

Madness!

 

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In a liberal democracy every voting option is bad.

 


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