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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 08 Dec 21 2.02pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Sorry - crossed wires but I do think the smoking ban in pubs/workplaces had a lot to do with it.
Like most on here I have no idea how to resolve this beyond thinking treatment rather than punitive measures is a better route but I worry about more situations developing like Dundee which has less than half the population of Croydon and x 10 the drug deaths.

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For some reason Scotland has for as long as I can remember had a disproportionate amount of drug users over England. Never quite understood why except for perhaps the weather, which to be honest does have a massive effect on the psyche of those living near the north pole so maybe there is something in that.

In the UK as a whole though the use of recreational drugs has increased, not sure how much it has outstripped population growth proportionally mind you, maybe someone knows the answer.

I agree the smoking ban helped reduce the number of smokers massively and cost has had a big impact too. Unfortunately for the illegal side of the market, a ban is irrelevant and stops no-one who really wants to get into it. Recreational drugs have become more expensive but not prohibitively for those with a night's beer money in their pocket. There is possibly an argument for legalising certain drugs for use but controlling the supply is the real issue.

In an ideal world there would be no recreational drugs, however whilst there is money to be made from exploiting the desperate and the weak minded there is no real answer to resolving the problem completely.

 

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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

For some reason Scotland has for as long as I can remember had a disproportionate amount of drug users over England. Never quite understood why except for perhaps the weather, which to be honest does have a massive effect on the psyche of those living near the north pole so maybe there is something in that.

In the UK as a whole though the use of recreational drugs has increased, not sure how much it has outstripped population growth proportionally mind you, maybe someone knows the answer.

I agree the smoking ban helped reduce the number of smokers massively and cost has had a big impact too. Unfortunately for the illegal side of the market, a ban is irrelevant and stops no-one who really wants to get into it. Recreational drugs have become more expensive but not prohibitively for those with a night's beer money in their pocket. There is possibly an argument for legalising certain drugs for use but controlling the supply is the real issue.

In an ideal world there would be no recreational drugs, however whilst there is money to be made from exploiting the desperate and the weak minded there is no real answer to resolving the problem completely.

The desire to get messed up is a common human trait; from licking toads to drinking fermented cactus juice.
There’s such a gulf between a “couple of lines” at a party to make a good time better and some poor wretch who’ll inject anything to make a bad time tolerable that there can’t be a one size fits all solution.

 

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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

For some reason Scotland has for as long as I can remember had a disproportionate amount of drug users over England. Never quite understood why except for perhaps the weather, which to be honest does have a massive effect on the psyche of those living near the north pole so maybe there is something in that.

In the UK as a whole though the use of recreational drugs has increased, not sure how much it has outstripped population growth proportionally mind you, maybe someone knows the answer.

I agree the smoking ban helped reduce the number of smokers massively and cost has had a big impact too. Unfortunately for the illegal side of the market, a ban is irrelevant and stops no-one who really wants to get into it. Recreational drugs have become more expensive but not prohibitively for those with a night's beer money in their pocket. There is possibly an argument for legalising certain drugs for use but controlling the supply is the real issue.

In an ideal world there would be no recreational drugs, however whilst there is money to be made from exploiting the desperate and the weak minded there is no real answer to resolving the problem completely.

Out of interest, why do you think this?

I think removing the stigma around recreational use of drugs is one of the things which will help to solve the problem - there's nothing inherently wrong with it, and as Teddy mentions above, the want to alter reality/f*ck yourself up is perfectly normal/natural.

I'd agree in an ideal world, there would be no problem drug users, but I don't see why we'd want away from them altogether.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (08 Dec 2021 2.25pm)

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Out of interest, why do you think this?

I think removing the stigma around recreational use of drugs is one of the things which will help to solve the problem - there's nothing inherently wrong with it, and as Teddy mentions above, the want to alter reality/f*ck yourself up is perfectly normal/natural.

I'd agree in an ideal world, there would be no problem drug users, but I don't see why we'd want away from them altogether.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (08 Dec 2021 2.25pm)

I've tried a few different ones, it didn't really enrich my life so purely for the benefit of those it causes serious harm to we would be better without them. You also have the issue of which ones would be ok and which ones wouldn't which would be a nightmare to police as people will always want what they are not allowed.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 08 Dec 21 2.46pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

For some reason Scotland has for as long as I can remember had a disproportionate amount of drug users over England. Never quite understood why except for perhaps the weather, which to be honest does have a massive effect on the psyche of those living near the north pole so maybe there is something in that.

As much as I admire aspects of Scottish culture and also carry the genes. I think we can somewhat safely say that the 'living in Scotland' factor explains quite a lot.

 


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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I've tried a few different ones, it didn't really enrich my life so purely for the benefit of those it causes serious harm to we would be better without them. You also have the issue of which ones would be ok and which ones wouldn't which would be a nightmare to police as people will always want what they are not allowed.

You could say exactly the same re alcohol - I don't think it's enough of a reason to make something illegal.

I've tried riding a motorbike, I didn't find it particularly fun so purely for the benefit of those who have accidents, we would be better without them.


In terms of people always wanting what they're not allowed; how many people in the UK really try to get hold of a firearm? or corrosive acid? The answer is obviously not many - it's not because they're banned that people want the drugs, it's because they want to experience the effects. I'd suggest most people would rather not have to flirt with criminality to do so.

The demand will always exist.

 

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At the middle class/wealthy end drug use tends to be someone with too much money and nihilism.

While both can intersect at the lower end it's usually someone trying to escape a sh1tty existence.

Most of the time it's the company you keep playing a major factor.

Like with smoking it's useful if your family had/has a general anti recreational drugs culture.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2021 2.58pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

At the middle class/wealthy end drug use tends to be someone with too much money and nihilism.

While both can intersect at the lower end it's usually someone trying to escape a sh1tty existence.

Most of the time it's the company you keep playing a major factor.

Like with smoking it's useful if your family has a general anti recreational drugs culture.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2021 2.55pm)

Yep, I mentioned yesterday that problematic use of drugs (legal and illegal) is strongly correlated with poverty and deprivation - the reality is that if we're talking about dealing with problem drug use and addiction, tackling poverty in this country would go a long way towards helping.

I think a lot of people would be surprised at how many 'functioning' drug users there are - it's very common.

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Yep, I mentioned yesterday that problematic use of drugs (legal and illegal) is strongly correlated with poverty and deprivation - the reality is that if we're talking about dealing with problem drug use and addiction, tackling poverty in this country would go a long way towards helping.

I think a lot of people would be surprised at how many 'functioning' drug users there are - it's very common.

I think you're accurate.

I would say though that the poverty angle is more complex as we need to think in terms of relativity and expectations here. People who can't quite feed their family and/or heat the home are rarely bothering with serious drugs as the money isn't there to buy them.

However, rise a bit above that and sure....I think it's more cultural than fiscal, though obviously it factors in....However as we fully know the middle class and above have their own very real problems with it.

It greases the wheels of the media, entertainment and other industries. Their drugs often hidden behind their dirty little pretence at normality.

 


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I wonder what kind of drugs went with cheese and wine at the party?

 


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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Yep, I mentioned yesterday that problematic use of drugs (legal and illegal) is strongly correlated with poverty and deprivation - the reality is that if we're talking about dealing with problem drug use and addiction, tackling poverty in this country would go a long way towards helping.

I think a lot of people would be surprised at how many 'functioning' drug users there are - it's very common.

Maybe if they spent their money on food and shoes instead of drugs, they wouldn't be so poor or deprived........

 


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Originally posted by becky

Maybe if they spent their money on food and shoes instead of drugs, they wouldn't be so poor or deprived........

I find it quite sad (and incredible at the same time) that arguments like this still exist around poverty.

They might own a smartphone as well!

 

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