Let's just dispose of the blah blah and get to the crux of the ssue.
We have a rapidly increasing number of immigrants and their offspring in this country, and they are now influencing our culture, politics and institutions with the help of sycophantic stupid White leftists who are driven by guilt and misguided ideology.
The result of this is that we are now being held to ransom by a small proportion of the population who wish to destabilize and divide while at the same time seeking power and influence for themselves.
This manifests itself in many ways, and one of them is individuals and corporations being driven to uphold wokeness to protect their reputations and profits.
In education, we have the usual leftist tutors and teachers spreading pseudo intellectual nonsense like critical race theory and trying to undermine White historical figures and history.

There needs to be some pushback and now. I'm tired of hearing self appointed speakers for minorities telling us that they are underrepresented when the opposite is clearly true in many instances.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Feb 2022 5.07pm)

I know what you mean, but I've certainly never felt any sort of pressure from the 'woke insanity', but then I'm not anybody with a platform or in a position of influence.

It's kind of the whole point of my response to Wilo; I don't really know anyone who is all in on a lot of these newer ideas on the left, and I'm sub-30 living in London surrounded by fairly left-wing people. I think a lot of these stories get far more prominence than they should, and they're framed as if they're really strongly supported ideas, which I don't particularly think is true at all. That's why I say a lot of is engineered.

To be frank, it's the major problem with the left currently; this inbuilt arrogance that they are right and no other view should be considered - it's a huge part of why Brexit garnered so much support, and then people doubled down as leavers - the left did nothing to win votes more than tell people they'd be stupid to vote leave.

Oh for sure, they even named it Lexit at one point, as in the left wing case for Brexit.

I just mean the remain campaign spent so little time on the benefits of membership and the positive cases for remain and focused all their efforts on big scary predictions if we were to leave.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (17 Feb 2022 5.39pm)

In defence of the Remain campaign, then conventional political wisdom was it being all about economics. Throw in the success of such a campaign in the Scottish referendum and you can see why they thought it would be a success.

What they failed to grasp, and it only really become apparent afterwards, was the EU referendum was really all about identity, on both sides and hence why the fallout was so divisive, continuing to this day.

I confess I never truly understood how important it was to people on the Remain side the notion of them being European citizens, dismissing it as nothing more than froth but ultimately I believe the entire issue was actually about what colour passport you wanted. And I don't mean that in any kind of frivolous way either. I am convinced now that it was the defining issue, even if nobody was willing to admit it.

Project Fear was ludicrously over the top but it was in line with how politics does work. The EU referendum though was a true outlier and the impact of it simply could not be measured in any kind of financial way.

People, on both sides, voted with their hearts. There was very little true logic involved. Hence why we are still at each other's throats even now.

It mattered to a very noisy, and powerful, minority. And the EU had actually set out to create that sense of a 'European' elite, just expecting the rest of us to trot along nicely.

One of the things I never understood about the EU was how it failed to capitalise on the few things that genuinely did engage Europeans as a whole. So for example, the Ryder Cup. Perhaps the only time when you could find people in pubs cheering on something that was presented, and quite rightly so, as a European endeavour. There never seemed to be a genuine interest in actually presenting the notion of being 'European' as a good thing. Almost as if the notion of any kind of European populism was actually distasteful to those in Brussels who wanted it to remain, at least in terms of who benefited from it, as a very elite club.

I genuinely believe there is a strong case to be made for a fully federalised Europe. And yet it never has been, outside of a few notable exceptions such as Guy Verhofstadt (a man whom I have a lot of time for even if I disagree with him on a lot) made. He was honest about what he saw the EU becoming. I admire that and still remain open to considering it. What I loathed was the approach that seemed to be a case of sneaking it up on us all. Loathesome in the extreme.

Pie in the sky.