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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Online Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 07 Jan 22 11.15am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

I think in general the current incumbents have done a good job, they have been lucky or clever to get Textor onboard, but the transfer policy over the last 4/5 years has been a shambles, no thought at all to sell on values. i think this last window was excellent, but that is down to Textors money, it seems to have taken a long time to learn it is a business.

I think you need to look at the bigger picture.

As a Club, it's generally accepted that we were only ' treading water ' for a few years under Roy. We have not been financially able to spend significant sums in the transfer market every year. The objective was to be competitive and stay in the Prem - which we did. I don't think there are any lessons to be learned at all as the business was deliberately being run according to plan.

Steve Parish gets offers of either investment or out right take overs all the time. Attracting or identifying the right people is not a simple matter. John Textor has already been more visible than the other American investors, and I think his continued input will be of great benefit.

Edited by NEILLO (07 Jan 2022 11.16am)

 


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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 07 Jan 22 11.49am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Yep, in reality we have spent very little in the last couple of years. Quite remarkable really that we have done as well as we have done.

Its very easy to say that we should have been buying with sell on value in mind. But these players are either going to be really young, and potentially not ready to step in and do a job, or really expensive.

Broadly the guys have been pretty shrewd, money spend on Andros, JT, PVA, Jeff, , Kouyate, Ayew all have been low fees for the impact then have had.

And some great free transfers, Guaita Sako etc.

We also spent some big money (Benteke, Sakho) that didn't provide excellent value.

Its not been perfect, but given our limitations the guys have done an amazing job. I'm sure there are lots of other fans that look at us with envy

 

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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 07 Jan 22 3.55pm Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

Yep, in reality we have spent very little in the last couple of years. Quite remarkable really that we have done as well as we have done.

Its very easy to say that we should have been buying with sell on value in mind. But these players are either going to be really young, and potentially not ready to step in and do a job, or really expensive.

Broadly the guys have been pretty shrewd, money spend on Andros, JT, PVA, Jeff, , Kouyate, Ayew all have been low fees for the impact then have had.

And some great free transfers, Guaita Sako etc.

We also spent some big money (Benteke, Sakho) that didn't provide excellent value.

Its not been perfect, but given our limitations the guys have done an amazing job. I'm sure there are lots of other fans that look at us with envy

It is not just transfers fees you need to consider but the whole transfer fee/salary package.

There is no such thing as a free transfer at the top level of football - Sako for example was a championship player who we paid £55k a week, at the time one of our highest earners despite never being a regular. Max Meyer is another classic example - 3 years of £125k a week is the same as buying a £15m player and paying them £40k a week (similar to Eze).

Sakho and Benteke were financial disasters from from a wage and transfer fee perspective which impacted our spending for the next 4 or so years.

Of the players you list as good cost effective purchases all are a certain age so it is unlikely any of them will have any resell value and this was known by the selling club when we bought them - West Ham with both Tomkins and Kouyate in particular were happy to take some money at 27/28 years old as the value in 3 or so years would be nearer zero


Edited by palace99 (07 Jan 2022 3.56pm)

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 07 Jan 22 4.37pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

It is not just transfers fees you need to consider but the whole transfer fee/salary package.

There is no such thing as a free transfer at the top level of football - Sako for example was a championship player who we paid £55k a week, at the time one of our highest earners despite never being a regular. Max Meyer is another classic example - 3 years of £125k a week is the same as buying a £15m player and paying them £40k a week (similar to Eze).

Sakho and Benteke were financial disasters from from a wage and transfer fee perspective which impacted our spending for the next 4 or so years.

Of the players you list as good cost effective purchases all are a certain age so it is unlikely any of them will have any resell value and this was known by the selling club when we bought them - West Ham with both Tomkins and Kouyate in particular were happy to take some money at 27/28 years old as the value in 3 or so years would be nearer zero


Edited by palace99 (07 Jan 2022 3.56pm)

Yes of course there are no free transfers in reality. But if we are honest Sako was a v good Champs player, so for 8 mill salary and fee for 3 years is pretty good business.

I didn't mention Max for a reason, it was right to take a risk on him, but it never really worked out.

On cost effective, I'd still put them both in the cost effective bracket. No, there is no resale, but with limited money to spend, both have made significant contributions to us staying in the league. If we'd have bought either of them in their early 20's it would have cost us double or more.

Regardless, whilst there have been some mistakes, and some expensive players that haven't worked out the board have broadly done a really good job given the money available.

Even in this last window with Hughes, Olise, and OE. We are picking up guys who are cheaper than they probability should be due to contract length or clauses.

We just now need to hope that this new strategy works, and the guys continue to develop.

 

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View Oxford Don's Profile Oxford Don Flag North West of SP 07 Jan 22 4.44pm Send a Private Message to Oxford Don Add Oxford Don as a friend

This really seems to have drifted off subject. Can we either get back to it or create another thread?

 


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Originally posted by Oxford Don

This really seems to have drifted off subject. Can we either get back to it or create another thread?

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag Kent 07 Jan 22 6.45pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Oxford Don

This really seems to have drifted off subject. Can we either get back to it or create another thread?

I’d like to see what Willo’s take on this is first

 


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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 07 Jan 22 9.04pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I’d like to see what Willo’s take on this is first

Why?

 

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View redshift's Profile redshift Flag Toronto 08 Jan 22 12.35am Send a Private Message to redshift Add redshift as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I’d like to see what Willo’s take on this is first

To be honest, I have found in the past Willo to be pretentious (my only problem with him) but now... I kind of miss him.

I hope he and Mrs W are doing well and he is not giving her too much grief. Best to you both.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 08 Jan 22 7.30am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops


Why?

Because it was his favourite saying as he would post off topic stuff then ask everyone to get back on topic

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 08 Jan 22 8.25am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by redshift

To be honest, I have found in the past Willo to be pretentious (my only problem with him) but now... I kind of miss him.

I hope he and Mrs W are doing well and he is not giving her too much grief. Best to you both.

Clearly you aren't paying attention, because Willo has been posting regularly of late on other threads. So there is no longer any need to miss him.

 


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