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View Omph's Profile Omph Flag Liverpool 31 Dec 21 2.37pm Send a Private Message to Omph Add Omph as a friend

I'm going to make the guess that we might see a couple of loans out. Think I remember hearing that O'Brien for one was angling after one.

There are different models of career progression but the staged one where there is exposure to "men's" football at a lower level is a fairly well established one. Historically we haven't really made it work for us and we've come up trumps with the fast tracking route into the first team squad but now the academy set up is at a different level and perhaps we are better equipped to match a player with a good loan club.

AWB and Mitchell were both accidental promotions iirc that came about through injury. Might just be that the COVID and AFCON combo might see the next star emerge. For that to happen they need to be on the bench first.

 

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View EagleinSF's Profile EagleinSF Flag San Fransisco 31 Dec 21 4.24pm Send a Private Message to EagleinSF Add EagleinSF as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Yet again surmising, you don't know until you try. they are 6th in the league so they must be pretty decent

Yet again surmising, that you know more than the manager and coaching staff that see the players every day. They'll be played if/when ready.

How many of our academy players that we've released have gone on to be big stars? Hmmm....

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 31 Dec 21 6.09pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

What is it that makes a player 'premier' ready?
Is it their ball control? I seem to remember Fergie always saying top players are like having the ball on a piece of string attached to their foot.
Raki Saki always looks so fast when he is on the screen. But he obviously isn't as good as Olise or he would be getting the time. Olise to me seems to be on a different dimension. I watch his runs and some of his passes that are better than good. Its like he's on a different level. His ball control is extraordinary.
Any expert care to comment? Im way behind some of you top analysts.

 

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View aashman12's Profile aashman12 Flag 02 Jan 22 10.01am Send a Private Message to aashman12 Add aashman12 as a friend

Originally posted by EagleinSF

Yet again surmising, that you know more than the manager and coaching staff that see the players every day. They'll be played if/when ready.

How many of our academy players that we've released have gone on to be big stars? Hmmm....

Also how many get loans to a good level of footy, most go league 2 or below and don't even pull up trees there,

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 02 Jan 22 11.05am Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

What is it that makes a player 'premier' ready?
Is it their ball control? I seem to remember Fergie always saying top players are like having the ball on a piece of string attached to their foot.
Raki Saki always looks so fast when he is on the screen. But he obviously isn't as good as Olise or he would be getting the time. Olise to me seems to be on a different dimension. I watch his runs and some of his passes that are better than good. Its like he's on a different level. His ball control is extraordinary.
Any expert care to comment? Im way behind some of you top analysts.

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Originally posted by dreamwaverider

What is it that makes a player 'premier' ready?
Is it their ball control? I seem to remember Fergie always saying top players are like having the ball on a piece of string attached to their foot.
Raki Saki always looks so fast when he is on the screen. But he obviously isn't as good as Olise or he would be getting the time. Olise to me seems to be on a different dimension. I watch his runs and some of his passes that are better than good. Its like he's on a different level. His ball control is extraordinary.
Any expert care to comment? Im way behind some of you top analysts.

I'm no expert, but here are my thoughts.

Olise got an opportunity for first team football at a lower level and has proved he can cope with it. Indeed, he was outstanding in the EFL. A lot more to come from him at Premier League level but from what I've seen, he's got what it takes.

Jes has been on a different journey. His development has been at U18 and U23 level. I'm no fan of the U23 structure and I question whether it properly prepares players for Senior football. But...at the U23 level he has been excellent and I am sure he's in PV's thoughts and will get more game time later in the season.

 


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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 02 Jan 22 11.49am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by aashman12

Also how many get loans to a good level of footy, most go league 2 or below and don't even pull up trees there,


Indeed. Playing men's football is very different to playing boys' and most U23s tend to be in the 18-21 age range and often struggle when playing [in] a professional men's team.

None of the current U23s who have been (or are) out on loan have prospered at lower league clubs, so what makes people think they'll suddenly make PL players? The better members of our U23 squad are very much works in progress. A couple might make it in the Premier league in due course. Hopefully a few of the others might be good enough for a Championship or League 1 club.

 

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View aashman12's Profile aashman12 Flag 02 Jan 22 12.49pm Send a Private Message to aashman12 Add aashman12 as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Indeed. Playing men's football is very different to playing boys' and most U23s tend to be in the 18-21 age range and often struggle when playing [in] a professional men's team.

None of the current U23s who have been (or are) out on loan have prospered at lower league clubs, so what makes people think they'll suddenly make PL players? The better members of our U23 squad are very much works in progress. A couple might make it in the Premier league in due course. Hopefully a few of the others might be good enough for a Championship or League 1 club.

Omilabu has struggled with just the step up to the 23s, in the summer he was being pushed by a fair few to be included in the seniors.

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 02 Jan 22 12.57pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

I think obviously will be a future star, Scott Banks will be Decent and i Also think Rich Baggypants will be a good player, he was a late starter, ian wright style

 


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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 02 Jan 22 3.06pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Indeed. Playing men's football is very different to playing boys' and most U23s tend to be in the 18-21 age range and often struggle when playing [in] a professional men's team.

None of the current U23s who have been (or are) out on loan have prospered at lower league clubs, so what makes people think they'll suddenly make PL players? The better members of our U23 squad are very much works in progress. A couple might make it in the Premier league in due course. Hopefully a few of the others might be good enough for a Championship or League 1 club.

Your are correct, our production line over the last 10 years have produced only four, Zaha, AWB, Williams and Mitchell!

 

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