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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 09 Jan 22 9.47am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Look up philodox.

There is also an appropriate anagram of the word 'nations' in the phrase 'one nations conservative'.


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 09 Jan 22 10.12am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Joining the ranks of Sir Philip Green and Sir Jimmy Savile. Hope they feel right at home.

 


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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Online Flag 09 Jan 22 10.40am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

I am not privy to any information - but at the time that all this was unfolding I definitely felt that Blair & the British Government were doing all they could to buy more time, time to either get more intel on the state of things on the ground or for the UN to clarify its position on exactly which resolution mattered most ( & did we need another one) or for someone / anyone to come up with a better / different plan, one which avoided military action - in the end the Americans started their engines & whether we wanted to or not it was go time.


Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not unusually for a piece from the agenda driven, sensationalist, Daily Mail, the headlines and first paragraphs rely on the probability that most readers won't study the detail, understand it, or even read their own piece to the end.

That the advice from the AJ on the legality of us joining the Americans was complicated, mixed and borderline is well known, and was when it was given. That's nothing new. Nor, I suspect, is it so unusual in such circumstances for a "for your eyes only" communication to be expected to be destroyed after reading, to ensure it did not reach other eyes.

It was my understanding at the time that Blair was trying to reign back Bush and get him to adopt another strategy. Which is why it went to the UN. It is also my belief that a secret agreement was reached between Churchill and Roosevelt when the USA joined us in WW2, that committed the UK to supporting the USA, when requested to, in its military endeavours in specific areas of mutually shared interest. Including the Middle East.

If true, and it's only a hunch based on observation, then Blair was between a rock and a hard place.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 09 Jan 22 11.06am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

I am not privy to any information - but at the time that all this was unfolding I definitely felt that Blair & the British Government were doing all they could to buy more time, time to either get more intel on the state of things on the ground or for the UN to clarify its position on exactly which resolution mattered most ( & did we need another one) or for someone / anyone to come up with a better / different plan, one which avoided military action - in the end the Americans started their engines & whether we wanted to or not it was go time.

Pretty much sums up my feelings ^^^
Aside from the fact the USA was probably dangling the carrot of big contracts and oil money. However, they all went into it with no exit plan.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Jan 22 3.02pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

What a joke. So you have a petitions process (which the HOC ignore anyway after a brief debate) but only on what they want you to vote on.

Democracy in action.

Yes it is.

When we choose our representatives we delegate all decisions to them.

The petitions are just a way to let people vent their frustrations safely, keeping them off the streets and avoiding tying up Police time. They, quite rightly, have no impact at all on our democracy. Do you seriously think policy ought to be impacted by a bunch of impassioned activists, sufficiently motivated to sign an online petition.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 09 Jan 22 3.05pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Yes it is.

When we choose our representatives we delegate all decisions to them.

The petitions are just a way to let people vent their frustrations safely, keeping them off the streets and avoiding tying up Police time. They, quite rightly, have no impact at all on our democracy. Do you seriously think policy ought to be impacted by a bunch of impassioned activists, sufficiently motivated to sign an online petition.

I'm shocked WE defends the establishment again.

 


One more point

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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 09 Jan 22 3.26pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Yes it is.

When we choose our representatives we delegate all decisions to them.

The petitions are just a way to let people vent their frustrations safely, keeping them off the streets and avoiding tying up Police time. They, quite rightly, have no impact at all on our democracy. Do you seriously think policy ought to be impacted by a bunch of impassioned activists, sufficiently motivated to sign an online petition.

That is a disgusting thing to say about our Armed Forces Veterans, of which I'm one. You sir, have no grasp of reality nor do you understand what that traitor bLIAR has done.

If I responded to this disgusting post as I wanted, I'd get an immediate ban, you ain't worth that.

 


The Child Has Grown,
The Dream Is Gone, And,
I Have Become,
Comfortably Numb.

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 09 Jan 22 4.42pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Yes it is.

When we choose our representatives we delegate all decisions to them.

The petitions are just a way to let people vent their frustrations safely, keeping them off the streets and avoiding tying up Police time. They, quite rightly, have no impact at all on our democracy. Do you seriously think policy ought to be impacted by a bunch of impassioned activists, sufficiently motivated to sign an online petition.

As we let those representatives decide on the brexit decision. Not all the petitions and the activists whom you were and clearly are. Policy cannot in your words be decided by said people.
Once again I thank you

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Jan 22 8.38pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

That is a disgusting thing to say about our Armed Forces Veterans, of which I'm one. You sir, have no grasp of reality nor do you understand what that traitor bLIAR has done.

If I responded to this disgusting post as I wanted, I'd get an immediate ban, you ain't worth that.

If I was saying it about our Armed Forces Veterans you might have a point. As I am not, you are getting upset for no reason. My remark was aimed at those who sign petitions. All kinds of petitions, on every subject under the sun. No doubt a few are also Vets, who feel passionately about certain things, which they are, of course, fully entitled to. People feel passionate about things close to their heart. Some no doubt feel as you do, but not all will. No-one though, whatever their background or passion, can expect to override the decisions of Parliament. Just consider the consequences of such an idea, for things that you are passionately opposed to.

The whole point about a petition is to allow people to express their views, without feeling a need to demonstrate. It's an outlet for feelings. If people think they are going to change anything then they are likely to be disappointed. The best they can expect is to get the petition debated in Westminster Hall, with a response from a Minister and support from some sympathetic MPs. I cannot recall any occasion when there was a change of policy as a consequence.

Those remarks are not directed to Vets. They are directed to petition signers.

You express a personal opinion. You no more speak for all Vets than I speak for all sales and marketing managers, managing directors or business owners. All of which I have been.

Neither of us though are politicians in the tight circle around Tony Blair at the time and aware of all the issues. We only see things from our own perspectives.

In your case that's a very specific one which seems to have made you very disillusioned and angry.

Mine was a more detached observation, which has produced a more sympathetic opinion.

Surely both ought to be respected?


 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Jan 22 8.44pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

As we let those representatives decide on the brexit decision. Not all the petitions and the activists whom you were and clearly are. Policy cannot in your words be decided by said people.
Once again I thank you

I am struggling to see the connection between petitions and Brexit. I am only too well aware that the Parliament we voted in during December 2019 took the final Brexit decision. My criticisms are all directed at the failings of the previous Parliament. Any petitions held during that Parliament are no different to any other.

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 09 Jan 22 10.46pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

My dictionary says pompous is "affectedly grand, solemn, or self-important". So I disagree, because I don't think I am really any of those things. I think you just object to my writing style. Which is fine. If you don't like it, don't read it. I promise you I won't mind in the least.

It was rudeness that I was actually suggesting you check. My dictionary says rudeness is a "lack of manners; discourteousness". Which I think fits your responses pretty well.

As this is a long way away from New Year Honours I will leave it there. It's really not important.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, including pompous asses

 


A lie will travel half way around the world before the truth has got it's shoes on.

When conceited septuagenarians opine , best to ignore.

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Jan 22 12.53pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, including pompous asses

They certainly are.

Including those who aren't "pompous asses."

So you choose your own category, and I will choose mine.

The difference is that I will keep my opinion on that to myself, as I don't like rudeness.

 

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