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The man has broken more rules than No 10 - kick him out!

 

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Originally posted by Robk

Was listening to Luka...unfortunately these Serbs are very arrogant.. think they are above the law... they are right to cancel his visa again ....it would have got ugly anyway if heíd been allowed to play....

This is the same Luka that broke Covid rules on New Years Eve 2020 with Mitrovic and wives. Got away very lightly on that one!

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jan 22 10.49pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

And just to raise a point about the vaccination and effectiveness and risk.
The vaccination was developed in approximately 10% of the time it usually takes drugs to get to market. Approximately 10 years is the timespan it takes from conception, through trials, some animal testing, then final human trials , before going to market.

Covid vaccines took about a year, and necessarily skipped a few hurdles. This is partially why its success isn't quite what we'd hoped.
There are other factors, such as Covid developing additional strains.
The upshot, (without blaming shambolic Governmental response), is that the way forward is for those offered vaccination, to take it.
It's a simple numbers game

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (09 Jan 2022 3.27pm)

I think we are on the same page. I strongly believe that everyone who can be vaccinated, should be vaccinated and anyone who refuses deserves to be ostracised by the rest of us. So Djokovic must be deported and gets no sympathy from me. That's not to excuse the way that Tennis Australia misled him, but their mistake cannot be used as a reason to make an exception.

I do though think there's a degree of confusion over how and why the vaccines were able to be put into use so quickly. Vaccines are not to be confused with the development of a completely new drug, which must be tested for years. Almost everything in them has been in widespread use in other vaccines for a long time. The science around the use of the tiny quantities of specific antigens is well understood and known to be safe. The scientists were all very confident that their developments would not show adverse effects, beyond the normal exceptions. Nevertheless, the full programme of trials was done, only this time in a very fast and well-resourced way. Anything at all that caused the slightest concerns resulted in trials being suspended and in one case, a vaccine withdrawn.

Now we have the hard evidence that the trial results are correct, and the scientists' confidence justified. Millions of doses have been administered, with only very rare problems. That the benefits massively outweigh the risks can no longer be argued. Countless lives have been saved, others allowed to continue to live normal lives and work and hospitals allowed to function.

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I think we are on the same page. I strongly believe that everyone who can be vaccinated, should be vaccinated and anyone who refuses deserves to be ostracised by the rest of us. So Djokovic must be deported and gets no sympathy from me. That's not to excuse the way that Tennis Australia misled him, but their mistake cannot be used as a reason to make an exception.

I do though think there's a degree of confusion over how and why the vaccines were able to be put into use so quickly. Vaccines are not to be confused with the development of a completely new drug, which must be tested for years. Almost everything in them has been in widespread use in other vaccines for a long time. The science around the use of the tiny quantities of specific antigens is well understood and known to be safe. The scientists were all very confident that their developments would not show adverse effects, beyond the normal exceptions. Nevertheless, the full programme of trials was done, only this time in a very fast and well-resourced way. Anything at all that caused the slightest concerns resulted in trials being suspended and in one case, a vaccine withdrawn.

Now we have the hard evidence that the trial results are correct, and the scientists' confidence justified. Millions of doses have been administered, with only very rare problems. That the benefits massively outweigh the risks can no longer be argued. Countless lives have been saved, others allowed to continue to live normal lives and work and hospitals allowed to function.

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I see you are still at it spreading misleading information.

WHO for a source well done instant fail.

Your post is in wrong section anyway it should of been in one of the covid ones not this one which is about the tennis player.

 


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Originally posted by grumpymort


I see you are still at it spreading misleading information.

WHO for a source well done instant fail.

Your post is in wrong section anyway it should of been in one of the covid ones not this one which is about the tennis player.

What proof do you have that The World Health Organisation is not a reliable source?

As this thread relates to the vaccination status of an individual, and the potential for him to influence many people against taking life saving action, Wisbechís post is wholly appropriate for this thread

 

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View Goal Machine's Profile Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 16 Jan 22 7.03am Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Originally posted by grumpymort


I see you are still at it spreading misleading information.

WHO for a source well done instant fail.

Your post is in wrong section anyway it should of been in one of the covid ones not this one which is about the tennis player.

Think Iíll go with the WHO website over you, thanks.

Novax has lost his appeal. Iím sure the vast majority will be delighted with the news.

Edited by Goal Machine (16 Jan 2022 7.05am)

 

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It's a ridiculous decision from a ridiculous leadership.

 


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Originally posted by Goal Machine

Think Iíll go with the WHO website over you, thanks.

Novax has lost his appeal. Iím sure the vast majority will be delighted with the news.

Edited by Goal Machine (16 Jan 2022 7.05am)

Yep, me too and the entirely appropriate decision to deport the lying, arrogant Serb.

Itís a pity our country arenít as robust on matters of illegal entry and deportation.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 16 Jan 22 9.11am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I think we are on the same page. I strongly believe that everyone who can be vaccinated, should be vaccinated and anyone who refuses deserves to be ostracised by the rest of us. So Djokovic must be deported and gets no sympathy from me. That's not to excuse the way that Tennis Australia misled him, but their mistake cannot be used as a reason to make an exception.

I think we're well on our way past Omicron now and its consequences, certainly in large part due to vaccination, also prior infection (especially useful after vaccination). Omicron will act as a booster of sorts in and of itself.

It'll likely/hopefully turn into a flu jab type situation now that we've given ourselves a significant leg up. In my view we'll move away from the need from some kind of extensive history of vaccination if its shown to become less relevant.

Novac certainly is in no real position to whine though considering he exposed so many others to covid when he claimed to know he was positive. He was somewhat caught in the centre of a political situation mind you, that is paetially of the government own making. So they don't come out of this looking particularly sensible either. Still, ultimately the government and by large margin the public do not appear to want him there so off he goes (the rich and famous breezing in, doesn't fit the mood of the moment).

If only there was a way he could've avoided this...

Edited by BlueJay (16 Jan 2022 10.04am)

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 16 Jan 22 9.28am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Djokovic must be deported and gets no sympathy from me. That's not to excuse the way that Tennis Australia misled him, but their mistake cannot be used as a reason to make an exception.

It isn't just Tennis Australia that comes out of it badly but almost every aspect of administration in Australia as they all seem to be contradicting each other

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 16 Jan 22 9.31am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I do though think there's a degree of confusion over how and why the vaccines were able to be put into use so quickly. Vaccines are not to be confused with the development of a completely new drug, which must be tested for years. Almost everything in them has been in widespread use in other vaccines for a long time. The science around the use of the tiny quantities of specific antigens is well understood and known to be safe.

You won't convince the anti vaxxers though who will continue to claim that they won't take the vaccine as they don't know what's in them whilst munching away on their Pot Noodles, sausages and chicken nuggets

 

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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

You won't convince the anti vaxxers though who will continue to claim that they won't take the vaccine as they don't know what's in them whilst munching away on their Pot Noodles, sausages and chicken nuggets

Valid point. People who previously cared not a jot for their own health, suddenly turned into selective Mr Motivators overnight .

As I've always said, where the young are concerned for various reasons I believe its fair enough for an opt out, but from the proportions of unvaccinated adults in intensive care, it does make you wonder what they end up thinking about their own terrible choices. Not a lot most likely as its not a position you're likely to find yourself in to begin with if you're capable of weighing up the risks.

 

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