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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 30 Jan 22 7.04pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

There's a very good feature in today's Sunday Times written by Jonathan Northcroft about the large number of young English footballers playing in Europe.

It's titled The Sancho Effect and describes how he decided to join Dortmund because he believed it would fast track his career. Their philosophy, he said, was, age didn't matter, if you're good enough they'll play you.

Apparently 7% of minutes in Bundesliga were played by Under 21 year olds in 2020/21, but even this low number is almost double the figure in the PL which has the lowest % of minutes played by Under 21s in any of the world's top 15 leagues, except China and Mexico.

For whatever reason it seems that English clubs consider that young players with experience in Foreign clubs have better potential than those from, say, the Championship.

Although we are making progress in developing our Academy players and bringing them into the first team, I can't help thinking we could give more game time to the likes of Omilabu, Rak-Sakyi and Kirby. Why even consider the likes of Nketiah when we have our own, home grown talent available?

Am I alone in this or are others of you keen to see us 'play our youngsters if they're good enough'?

 


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View mars's Profile mars Flag Folkestone 30 Jan 22 7.11pm Send a Private Message to mars Add mars as a friend

Good post.. spot on.. we clearly have youth talent so let’s use it!

 

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glaziermart Flag 30 Jan 22 7.12pm

I agree. We have a top talent as well called Daniel Quick a defender who can play full back and centre back, and is wanted by Dortmund, Liverpool and Southampton. I am a bit disappointed that Vieira has not integrated some more into the team. We did have Wells-Morrison and Rak-Sakyi on the bench against Millwall, but I feel they could have been on the bench more instead of Jairo and Kelly

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 30 Jan 22 7.35pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Am I alone in this or are others of you keen to see us 'play our youngsters if they're good enough'?

I would guess that every supporter would like to see home grown talent in the first team but you did say "if they're good enough" and obviously our manager doesn't feel that they are good enough but I'm sure that loads of supporters will think that they know better

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 30 Jan 22 7.49pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Hartlepool is an obvious game if any are good enough. Maybe not starting but to come on at least.

 


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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 30 Jan 22 8.13pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

And how good has sancho been in the prem ? Would rather play players because they're good enough not because they're young. Like someone else has said, how many players have we released from our academy, have gone onto better things ? None. Zaha, wan bissaka, moses, Clyne, Mitchell, Watson, routledge have all broken into the first team so it shows when it comes to identifying young players who are good enough, as a club we have a pretty good track record.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 30 Jan 22 9.40pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

The Premier League is probably the toughest league to play in. Every opponent tends to be a tough team to beat. In our previous eight seasons we have failed to reach 50 points. In other words most of each season has been spent trying to ensure we survive. Bringing through youngsters, therefore, has been and continues to be difficult for clubs like Palace whose primary aim has been and remains to stay in the league. Yes, we could give a promising youngster a few minutes off the bench in a game that is comfortably being won by us (a rare event) or where a game is already a lost cause (as happened for Rak-Sakyi first up against Chelsea), but most of the time we're trying to either hold on to what we've got in a game or pushing for an equalizer/winner.

What PV has done well this season is give the better Academy players regular opportunities to train with the first team, thereby enabling:
1) him and his coaching team to see where those youngsters are at and what they need to work on and
2) the youngsters to experience first hand what it's like to come up against and play alongside first team players.

The last Academy player to come through, of course, is Mitchell. He got his chance because of injuries BUT he was clearly still very raw and struggled for quite a few games before fans started thinking that he might be up to scratch. How many chances would he have had, had PvA not been out for as long as he was?

I would hope to see several youngsters on the bench on Saturday and, assuming we score several goals and are well in control, hope one or two of them will get some minutes.

I also hope that we'll reach the 40 point mark soonest so as to enable PV to consider giving one or two youngsters opportunities in the final games of the season.

 

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View HeathMan's Profile HeathMan Flag Purley 30 Jan 22 10.54pm Send a Private Message to HeathMan Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add HeathMan as a friend

Should we be in touching point of safety after 28 games - ten left to go - there would be the option to put out an Under 23 and under 18 mixture against a team against whom the first team would usually lose.

The game against Liverpool would have been an opportunity (with the referee having no knowledge of who to warn against playing positively.

I am certain that PV would be able to prepare his selection for any loss, and they would be likely to play without fear.

 

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View aashman12's Profile aashman12 Flag 31 Jan 22 7.56am Send a Private Message to aashman12 Add aashman12 as a friend

What ones do you suggest we play and instead of who? None are bossing it at u23 level to suggest they deserve a jump up to Premier league football and that is a massive jump.

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 31 Jan 22 8.19am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

I would just add to Doombears comment - There is more money in the PL than any other league so its attracts significant amounts of talent from far & wide (Players & agents wanting to follow the money) this only increases the competition for places in those clubs lucky enough to make up the PL.

Originally posted by doombear

The Premier League is probably the toughest league to play in. Every opponent tends to be a tough team to beat. In our previous eight seasons we have failed to reach 50 points. In other words most of each season has been spent trying to ensure we survive. Bringing through youngsters, therefore, has been and continues to be difficult for clubs like Palace whose primary aim has been and remains to stay in the league. Yes, we could give a promising youngster a few minutes off the bench in a game that is comfortably being won by us (a rare event) or where a game is already a lost cause (as happened for Rak-Sakyi first up against Chelsea), but most of the time we're trying to either hold on to what we've got in a game or pushing for an equalizer/winner.

What PV has done well this season is give the better Academy players regular opportunities to train with the first team, thereby enabling:
1) him and his coaching team to see where those youngsters are at and what they need to work on and
2) the youngsters to experience first hand what it's like to come up against and play alongside first team players.

The last Academy player to come through, of course, is Mitchell. He got his chance because of injuries BUT he was clearly still very raw and struggled for quite a few games before fans started thinking that he might be up to scratch. How many chances would he have had, had PvA not been out for as long as he was?

I would hope to see several youngsters on the bench on Saturday and, assuming we score several goals and are well in control, hope one or two of them will get some minutes.

I also hope that we'll reach the 40 point mark soonest so as to enable PV to consider giving one or two youngsters opportunities in the final games of the season.

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 31 Jan 22 9.03am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by aashman12

What ones do you suggest we play and instead of who? None are bossing it at u23 level to suggest they deserve a jump up to Premier league football and that is a massive jump.

I think Wells-Morrison and Rak-Sakyi are the obvious two for a few minutes

 


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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

There's a very good feature in today's Sunday Times written by Jonathan Northcroft about the large number of young English footballers playing in Europe.

It's titled The Sancho Effect and describes how he decided to join Dortmund because he believed it would fast track his career. Their philosophy, he said, was, age didn't matter, if you're good enough they'll play you.

Apparently 7% of minutes in Bundesliga were played by Under 21 year olds in 2020/21, but even this low number is almost double the figure in the PL which has the lowest % of minutes played by Under 21s in any of the world's top 15 leagues, except China and Mexico.

For whatever reason it seems that English clubs consider that young players with experience in Foreign clubs have better potential than those from, say, the Championship.

Although we are making progress in developing our Academy players and bringing them into the first team, I can't help thinking we could give more game time to the likes of Omilabu, Rak-Sakyi and Kirby. Why even consider the likes of Nketiah when we have our own, home grown talent available?

Am I alone in this or are others of you keen to see us 'play our youngsters if they're good enough'?

In response to your question, yes.

However we likely don't have any good enough.

I suspect its easier to make the break into top level football in other leagues as the general standard is a bit lower than the prem. Naturally driven my money.

Hence a lot of the youngsters we get from abroad have top flight experience under their belt.


 

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