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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 24 Jun 23 7.25pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Utterly bizarre 24 hours. The talk of a 'coup' was ludicrous from the get-go for all kinds of reasons but even so, this is now beyond bizarre.

I still see no upside to Wagner. They return to their barracks and Putin will move against them. He has to.

All I can think of is that Prigozhin was conned into thinking that there would be a mass uprising from the Russian army in his favour. And he realised it was not happening hence the backtracking.

But who knows? A crazy day in what is an insane situation.

Unlikely during the war. Wagner were set to be returning to the front for August 5th. Apparently Wagner have been given security and other guarantees. Maybe, they will be fighting and armed from Belarus and not interacting with the main Russian army.

However, Prigozhin will no doubt be watching his back....as bullets have a tendency to go stray.

 


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Russia doing Russia things, I give in.
Wagner shootdown what 7 aircraft & then just turn round and head back to Ukraine.
Russia is mentally retarded.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (24 Jun 2023 7.30pm)

 


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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Russia doing Russia things, I give in.
Wagner shootdown what 7 aircraft & then just turn round and head back to Ukraine.
Russia is mentally retarded.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (24 Jun 2023 7.30pm)

Pretty much.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 24 Jun 23 9.06pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Not sure about the aircraft claims. Lot of hype around today. But I suspect that the truth will still be bloody weird.

Putin has to take out the head of the Wagner snake. You cannot allow this to slide.

 


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View Grumbles's Profile Grumbles 24 Jun 23 9.34pm Send a Private Message to Grumbles Add Grumbles as a friend

Looks like a pantomime de-escalation between the antagonists.

Russian army units were beginning to mutiny, hence the use of a puppet to try and save face on both sides.

There is a Russian cultural trait to lie to your face from a position of power, is this one? So nothing is set in stone.

Putin has what he needs time. I've heard that part of the deal is Prighozin leaves Russia and if i was Prighozin i guess I would live in a Central African Republic bungalow for the rest of my relatively short life.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 24 Jun 23 9.38pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Grumbles

Russian army units were beginning to mutiny, hence the use of a puppet to try and save face on both sides.

But if Russian Army units were beginning to mutiny then that would mean Wagner were succeeding.The far more logical explanation for Wagner backing off is that the Russian Army were not changing over to them.

I accept that nothing is certain at the moment but your statement makes little sense.

 


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Originally posted by Matov

But if Russian Army units were beginning to mutiny then that would mean Wagner were succeeding.The far more logical explanation for Wagner backing off is that the Russian Army were not changing over to them.

I accept that nothing is certain at the moment but your statement makes little sense.

It was airborne regiments (at least the 217th regiment of the 98th ) that I saw, the source was a authoritarian right wing nationalist media source so unreliable.

But there must be a wider political reason why Putin made any agreement.

As you have seen neither party cares for the life of an individual soldier, if it was a case of the status quo remaining stable....Putin would win not with optimal media cachet with fighting on the streets of Russia, but he would win.

Perhaps Prigozhin realised he was in a popularist dichotomy in the fact that as a traitor to Mother Russia he would have to sledgehammer his own head.

 

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Perhaps the deal is the puppet Alexander Lukashenko's position?

Supposedly in ill health.

 

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Criminal case on armed rebellion against Prigozhin will be terminated - Peskov

During the negotiations, an agreement was reached that the Wagner PMC fighters would go to field camps, and Prigozhin himself would leave for Belarus.

Prigozhin has left the headquarters of the Southern Military District in Rostov-on-Don together with PMC Wagner.

 


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It was a civil bore.

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It was a civil bore.

If that was a top trump card you wouldn’t want it

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

If that was a top trump card you wouldn’t want it

No you wouldn't.

Wagner took out seven Russian aircraft in one day seemingly with no losses.

There is considerable anger in the Russian military with them as 20 specialised pilots were killed. These included three Mi-8 MTPRs, specialised scarce electronic warfare helicopters. They also shot down an IL-18-based air control center with the entire crew.
Obviously Ukraine will celebrate as it hasn't managed anything like that in one go.

I see Wagner are being relocated to Belarus, being paid and armed from Russia but operating there and attacking from the north....can't see them working with the main Russian military again....just as likely to attack each other.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jun 2023 4.57am)

 


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