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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 16 Jun 22 8.50pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

just as an intellectual exercise :

imagine if Saudi never had massive Oil reserves.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 16 Jun 22 8.52pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

just as an intellectual exercise :

imagine if Saudi never had massive Oil reserves.

Look I donít know but you could be on to something there

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 16 Jun 22 8.59pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

just as an intellectual exercise :

imagine if Saudi never had massive Oil reserves.


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Double post Doh!

Edited by Matov (16 Jun 2022 9.01pm)

 


In 1967, when Polish mercenary Rafal Ganowicz was asked what it felt like to take human life, replied: "I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."

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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

just as an intellectual exercise :

imagine if Saudi never had massive Oil reserves.

Good point. Much in life is dependnent on lucking out geographically, and maintaining a level of control of those resources.

 

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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

just as an intellectual exercise :

imagine if Saudi never had massive Oil reserves.

Just a big Yemen then

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 16 Jun 22 11.08pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the yanks are best friends with both the Saudi's AND Israel.

Incongruous, but true.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (16 Jun 2022 5.42pm)

It's only ever about money and power.

Whose who have it and those who don't.

In terms of power dynamics nothing ever really changes that much from the playground.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2022 11.10pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's only ever about money and power.

Whose who have it and those who don't.

In terms of power dynamics nothing ever really changes that much from the playground.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2022 11.10pm)

Certainly but you need rich and poor for society to operate. If we were all rich there are no leaders, if we are all poor the same. Itís the dynamic of civilisation.
Not always fair granted but it has to be. Lord of the flies is the other way but even they got it together in different groups with a heirachy eventually.

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 17 Jun 22 3.25pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Not always fair granted but it has to be. Lord of the flies is the other way but even they got it together in different groups with a heirachy eventually.

Hierarchy is inevitable. A fact that drives Lefties hog-wild.

 


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Originally posted by cryrst

Certainly but you need rich and poor for society to operate. If we were all rich there are no leaders, if we are all poor the same. Itís the dynamic of civilisation.
Not always fair granted but it has to be. Lord of the flies is the other way but even they got it together in different groups with a heirachy eventually.

Obviously I fully agree with you. I've long argued that there is a symbiotic relationship between rich and poor: one needs the other....Many many books basically say the same thing in many different ways. What you want is a tide that rises all boats...what you have been getting is a tide rising just the nice boats....in the long run that doesn't end well.

The ideal is a hierarchy that is built upon merit. If you have the best minds in the most important jobs your society will flourish.

However, that is only maintained if the leaders believe strongly in those principles. If their attention is focused by money, cronyism and centralised control the system quickly becomes a parody....At the moment our unelected institutions and corporations are pretty far left socially (I've previously said why that is) and that ideology decides who gets into leadership decisions.

As always if you want to see the quality of your leaders and what they believe you look at what the top universities were pumping out twenty-thirty years ago.

The present future and what's coming have been low quality elites for some time and that will continue until such time as events change that environment.

If you take technology out of the equation and look at economics the west has been in decline for some time.....printing money does not solve an illness, it's a painkiller that only delays it, while directly worsening the illness.


Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2022 5.04pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Obviously I fully agree with you. I've long argued that there is a symbiotic relationship between rich and poor: one needs the other....Many many books basically say the same thing in many different ways. What you want is a tide that rises all boats...what you have been getting is a tide rising just the nice boats....in the long run that doesn't end well.

The ideal is a hierarchy that is built upon merit. If you have the best minds in the most important jobs your society will flourish.

However, that is only maintained if the leaders believe strongly in those principles. If their attention is focused by money, cronyism and centralised control the system quickly becomes a parody....At the moment our unelected institutions and corporations are pretty far left socially (I've previously said why that is) and that ideology decides who gets into leadership decisions.

As always if you want to see the quality of your leaders and what they believe you look at what the top universities were pumping out twenty-thirty years ago.

The present future and what's coming have been low quality elites for some time and that will continue until such time as events change that environment.

If you take technology out of the equation and look at economics the west has been in decline for some time.....printing money does not solve an illness, it's a painkiller that only delays it, while directly worsening the illness.


Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2022 5.04pm)

This starts locally with councils. Positive discrimination in favour of gay, non white or disabled to fill a criteria. Not right, not clever and defiantly not beneficial to the populace under said councils.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

This starts locally with councils. Positive discrimination in favour of gay, non white or disabled to fill a criteria. Not right, not clever and defiantly not beneficial to the populace under said councils.

Also not legal and not possible

But nice bit of outrage for the weekend. Defiantly.

 

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