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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 08 Apr 22 10.15am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Article on her on the BBC this morning, apparently she is now being considered a genuine threat to the Macron reign. Don't know much about her, asides from being painted as the 'pantomime villain' in the left leaning press.

Would be interested to hear from anybody else on here. My knowledge or indeed care for anything French has been limited to the likes of Mama Sakho, Yohann Cabaye and Michael Olise in years of late, so just about anybody would be far better qualified than I to comment. Is she really the second coming of Hitler? How 'far-right' is she? Or are we just talking about someone who thinks that unregulated mass immigration isn't such a great thing etc and so on?

If she were to get into power, what would be the potential ramifications for Europe and resultantly us? I have now indeed become slightly interested, and bored this Friday morn however do have some actual work to do too and cannot really be bothered with earning my 30 minute Wikipedia degree in everything, as many seem to do these days, so any input appreciated!

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 08 Apr 22 10.22am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

She might win the first round but the establishment parties will choose a left / right unity candidate to see her off.

I don't see it happening.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 08 Apr 22 10.50am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Article on her on the BBC this morning, apparently she is now being considered a genuine threat to the Macron reign. Don't know much about her, asides from being painted as the 'pantomime villain' in the left leaning press.

Would be interested to hear from anybody else on here. My knowledge or indeed care for anything French has been limited to the likes of Mama Sakho, Yohann Cabaye and Michael Olise in years of late, so just about anybody would be far better qualified than I to comment. Is she really the second coming of Hitler? How 'far-right' is she? Or are we just talking about someone who thinks that unregulated mass immigration isn't such a great thing etc and so on?

If she were to get into power, what would be the potential ramifications for Europe and resultantly us? I have now indeed become slightly interested, and bored this Friday morn however do have some actual work to do too and cannot really be bothered with earning my 30 minute Wikipedia degree in everything, as many seem to do these days, so any input appreciated!

Éric Zemmour is the real deal, Le Pen has compromised so much it's almost amusing.....like the article that calls him antisemitic when he's actually Jewish from immigrant Algerian parents.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Apr 2022 11.01am)

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 08 Apr 22 11.42am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

I heard the right wing vote was split by a new guy. Can't recall his name. French politics, particularly elections, a dirty business. Candidates can essentially come in at any round.

Edit: must be the guy above in Stirling's post.

Edited by ASCPFC (08 Apr 2022 11.43am)

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 08 Apr 22 12.06pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I heard the right wing vote was split by a new guy. Can't recall his name. French politics, particularly elections, a dirty business. Candidates can essentially come in at any round.

Edit: must be the guy above in Stirling's post.

Edited by ASCPFC (08 Apr 2022 11.43am)

If Zemmour stands down and backs her she has a small chance.

The reality being that a percent are always reluctant to publicly state who they actually end up voting for.....as recent elections have shown.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 08 Apr 22 12.13pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If Zemmour stands down and backs her she has a small chance.

The reality being that a percent are always reluctant to publicly state who they actually end up voting for.....as recent elections have shown.

Apparently, most of his supporters are moving to Le Pen as they are appalled at his stance on Putin. So his withdrawal would seem unlikely to make much difference.

It's really something when someone with as much baggage as Le Pen is regarded as a serious contender for the French presidency. This is potentially as bad for France as Trump was for the USA. A populist in power?

Just remember, as with Trump, Putin backs Le Pen. Why might that be?

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 08 Apr 22 12.14pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I heard the right wing vote was split by a new guy. Can't recall his name. French politics, particularly elections, a dirty business. Candidates can essentially come in at any round.

Edit: must be the guy above in Stirling's post.

Edited by ASCPFC (08 Apr 2022 11.43am)

Indeed. On the point that someone cannot be Jewish and be antisemitic (clearly untrue) I would add that Zemmour is an admirer of many anti-Semitic figures on account of his far right status. Zemmour viewed victims of Algerian Mohammed Merah, who murdered French school children who happened to be Jewish and the man himself in the same light. Suggesting that much in the same way that Merha's family had asked for him to be buried in Algeria, and the murdered children were buried in Israel they 'did not belong to France' and that "Assassins or innocents, executioners or victims" they were 'above all, foreigners'. He is against an emphasis on the holocaust being taught in French schools saying it 'was not a major event of the war'.

Why is the above not of note I wonder? If people are going to be nudged in a direction, I would like them to be informed of where they are heading..

I won't get into his views on blacks (that it's fine to deny someone employment and more based solely on their race etc), convictions for inciting racial hatred and so on. Being that I was the other day accused of 'sick politics' that has 'damaged society generationally in increased crime rates...'(resulting in) 'murder and rape, family breakdown, terrorism, generational displacement and future conflicts that never needed to happen' when I am publicly and repeatedly on record as being pro Brexit, largely anti immigration with the only other stated views that I'm against racism against Brits and have a black British partner, I can well understand why to StirlingSays this guy is 'the real deal'.

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 08 Apr 22 12.22pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Apparently, most of his supporters are moving to Le Pen as they are appalled at his stance on Putin. So his withdrawal would seem unlikely to make much difference.

It's really something when someone with as much baggage as Le Pen is regarded as a serious contender for the French presidency. This is potentially as bad for France as Trump was for the USA. A populist in power?

Just remember, as with Trump, Putin backs Le Pen. Why might that be?

He still has enough support that the transfer in votes could swing it.

Putin is a conservative so of course he's going to back the least worse option.

Did who Stalin backed in English elections bother you? Was there some fundamental meaning behind Stalin backing socialists in England rather than conservatives?

Reductionist nonsense.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Apr 2022 12.23pm)

 


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View Harborough Eagle's Profile Harborough Eagle Flag Market Harborough, Leicestershire 08 Apr 22 12.24pm Send a Private Message to Harborough Eagle Add Harborough Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

She might win the first round but the establishment parties will choose a left / right unity candidate to see her off.

I don't see it happening.

This is what usually happens in the first round...her Dad Jean Marie Le Pen also always did well at first stage but I guess you can say never say never the french are an odd lot but usually wake to to their senses in the end

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 08 Apr 22 12.32pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Harborough Eagle

This is what usually happens in the first round...her Dad Jean Marie Le Pen also always did well at first stage but I guess you can say never say never the french are an odd lot but usually wake to to their senses in the end

Can an entire country surrender at it's own elections?

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 08 Apr 22 12.38pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Can an entire country surrender at it's own elections?

For what it's worth, as I often find it a surprisingly useful measure, Macron is 2/9 to win the election and Le Pen 3-1. This suggests that while the 'money where their mouth is' crowd believe that Macron will win, it's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that Le Pen could.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 08 Apr 22 12.43pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

He still has enough support that the transfer in votes could swing it.

Putin is a conservative so of course he's going to back the least worse option.

Did who Stalin backed in English elections bother you? Was there some fundamental meaning behind Stalin backing socialists in England rather than conservatives?

Reductionist nonsense.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Apr 2022 12.23pm)

I am not sure Stalin backed anyone in English elections. He didn't have much time for elections. One of his most famous quotes (which might be apocryphal) was that it didn't matter who cast the votes. What mattered was who counted them.

Yes, it does matter who Putin backs. What Stalin did, or even could, have done did not extend to the voter attitude manipulation via social media, we now have. Putin trying, and succeeding, to get Trump into the WH wasn't done for the benefit of the people in the USA. It was done to make pursuing his own agenda easier. So it is with Le Pen. Her Party owes money to Russia. What else does it owe?

The reductionism lies with those who simply think Putin does this because he is also a "conservative". Putin is a populist. Interested in power and his own survival. His commitment to any ideology is limited to what suits him best at any one moment.

 

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