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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 06 May 22 5.53am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

As at 5 am UK time looks like:

Conservative losses not as bad as projected

Labour gains in terms of seats put Starmer in a difficult place, winning Wandsworth ( which is pretty champagne socialist ) but losing Hull.

Labour just held on to Sunderland

Not much change in Northern ex Red Wall, Labour lost 5 seats in Oldham for example.

LibDems usually do well in local elections which is ok as they can't influence national policy.

Scotland looks likely continue to be a major problem for Labour ever getting a general election majority.

So all in all, Conservatives getting punished for recent behaviour lapses and probably deservedly so

BBC , Sky and the other pro Labour media gloating on Wandsworth and hardly mentioning Hull as expected.

Wandsworth was always going to be in the spotlight but let's not forget that Labour already have the local MP's (I believe Putney was Labour's only single gain in the 2019 GE) and the area voted something like 70% Remain. It makes for good headlines (and understandably so) but in terms of the wider, GE related picture, then froth.

The bigger issue for Labour is up in the North. And the picture from there is less than encouraging.

 


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Agree to all that

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 06 May 22 7.51am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Just seen the results for Sutton. Lib-Dem hold but Labour gain 3 and the Tories gain 2.

Not really sure what can be taken, on a national level, by that.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 06 May 22 8.12am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Just seen the results for Sutton. Lib-Dem hold but Labour gain 3 and the Tories gain 2.

Not really sure what can be taken, on a national level, by that.

All I take is that I'd forgotten the name of the Lib-Dem leader - also struggle to remember the name of the Scottish Labour leader.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 06 May 22 8.26am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

All I take is that I'd forgotten the name of the Lib-Dem leader - also struggle to remember the name of the Scottish Labour leader.

Well quite. It's reasonably interesting to see how Labour are taking seats off the Libs in some urban areas but up in Hull, the LD's have beaten Labour. Like they are cancelling each other out.

Lets be honest here, this is not a good night for the Tories but in terms of actual political combat, all flesh wounds. Losing Wandsworth will hurt, as will Barnett (and it will be interesting to see how the Jewish vote there went) but given Party-gate and everything else at the moment, then I suspect Labour will be concerned that in terms of where it matters with regards to the next GE, they are not making progress.

And Johnson will survive. Might be some grumbling but I would be very surprised if there is any serious move against him now.

Labour win the round on points but have not inflicted as much damage as they might have been expected to. Johnson pretty much has a clear run now for the rest of the year.

 


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Many results still to come in and Labour have certainly made gains but even the BBC is saying that this is not a good victory.

After 13 years of Tory rule it seems given the choice the public has voted for the Lib Dems and the Greens. With the economy heading for the tank and all the other issues Labour should have wiped the floor with the Tories.

I think this gives Boris breathing space from his rebellious back benchers although I still think he will step down before the next GE, although I don't see that happening this year.

As for Starmer it is back to the drawing board, yes many people are fed up with the Tories but as these early results indicate that is not the same thing as a vote for Labour.

Back of the class Sir Kier, must do better.


Edited by Badger11 (06 May 2022 8.29am)

 


One more point

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 06 May 22 8.41am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

As for Starmer it is back to the drawing board, yes many people are fed up with the Tories but as these early results indicate that is not the same thing as a vote for Labour.

Back of the class Sir Kier, must do better.


Edited by Badger11 (06 May 2022 8.29am)

My understanding is that that since Starmer took over, they have actually cut back on their community engagement policy. The one thing that could never be taken away from Corbyn during his tenure was that he managed to motivate a lot of people/t***s (and in the main, they are) to go out and campaign. Labours ground game in 2017 for example was incredible. 2019 was a little different but with the Brexit issue as the primary driver behind how people voted, the split in Labour between the pro-remain activist class and the Leavers they needed to somehow persuade was never going to happen.

Right, going out on a limb here. And this might not happen so feel free to rub my nose in it in a few months time but my spider senses are tingling here. I am wondering if we are going to see a major Starmer announcement in the next few months. Something along the lines that the country is now unfairly structed meaning Labour can never achieve a majority on their own and they need to reach out into a 'Progressive' Alliance, in which they will support the introduction of PR along with some kind of EU proposal. Not actual rejoining but perhaps suggesting a new deal, along the lines of which Norway have and so on.

Lib-Dems, Greens and Labour with perhaps support from the sidelines from the SNP?

With this LE as the proof in the pudding?

Now I think Starmer deliberately orchestrated Labours switch to a second referendum policy by way of scuppering Corbyns leadership so have zero problem in believing the man capable of not pushing for Labour to win in its northern heart-lands again, banking on this 'Progressive Alliance' perhaps handing him the keys to number 10 anyway.

However, this is me just thinking out aloud and based on already drink to much coffee so feel free to scoff.

 


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Originally posted by Matov

My understanding is that that since Starmer took over, they have actually cut back on their community engagement policy. The one thing that could never be taken away from Corbyn during his tenure was that he managed to motivate a lot of people/t***s (and in the main, they are) to go out and campaign. Labours ground game in 2017 for example was incredible. 2019 was a little different but with the Brexit issue as the primary driver behind how people voted, the split in Labour between the pro-remain activist class and the Leavers they needed to somehow persuade was never going to happen.

Right, going out on a limb here. And this might not happen so feel free to rub my nose in it in a few months time but my spider senses are tingling here. I am wondering if we are going to see a major Starmer announcement in the next few months. Something along the lines that the country is now unfairly structed meaning Labour can never achieve a majority on their own and they need to reach out into a 'Progressive' Alliance, in which they will support the introduction of PR along with some kind of EU proposal. Not actual rejoining but perhaps suggesting a new deal, along the lines of which Norway have and so on.

Lib-Dems, Greens and Labour with perhaps support from the sidelines from the SNP?

With this LE as the proof in the pudding?

Now I think Starmer deliberately orchestrated Labours switch to a second referendum policy by way of scuppering Corbyns leadership so have zero problem in believing the man capable of not pushing for Labour to win in its northern heart-lands again, banking on this 'Progressive Alliance' perhaps handing him the keys to number 10 anyway.

However, this is me just thinking out aloud and based on already drink to much coffee so feel free to scoff.

That seems very possible. Without Scottish and Welsh votes it's hard to see Labour doing much.

 

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Clearly, national voting will be increasingly determined by demographics.

You don't really have to be Nostradamus to predict that.

Unsurprisingly, Labour did a bit better in London and very poorly for a mid term in the rest of England.

London is now another planet.

 

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Agree with all of the above. The only thing preventing Labour forming a left of centre coalition government with other parties is personal pride or arrogance.

Corbyn had it in his grasp and bottled it Labour leaders believe they are the party of government so hate the idea that they would have to do a deal with others. (so do the Tories).

It maybe the only way that Starmer will see power so perhaps he will reach out to the others. This is problematic of course because the SNP will demand Indyref2 as their reward and no doubt the others will demand various concessions.

Of course it may just back fire as not everybody who votes for the smaller parties is committed. Some no doubt vote to punish
the Tories might just decide the idea of Wee Jimmy crowing is too much and switch back to the Conservatives.

Its a Game of Thrones.

Edited by Badger11 (06 May 2022 9.28am)

 


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People are now getting energy bill increases, a friend of mine has gone from 166 to 306 a month.

The energy companies should be forced to not increase standing charges.

IMHO there has to be a hold on the " green tax " element for at least a year, current global events make this punitive, not that I think it is fair in the first place.

There also has to be something done for small business users as that directly impacts inflation.

These are extraordinary times and require extraordinary measures.

Doesn't matter how much Labour shout about forcing a u turn that will all be forgotten by the time of the next general election

London has been consistently becoming a Labour city for years, the Labour performance outside London is what needs to be the yardstick

Lib Dems are an irrelevance as are the Greens in a national context


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Originally posted by Badger11

Agree with all of the above. The only thing preventing Labour forming a left of centre coalition government with other parties is personal pride or arrogance.

Corbyn had it in his grasp and bottled it Labour leaders believe they are the party of government so hate the idea that they would have to do a deal with others. (so do the Tories).

It maybe the only way that Starmer will see power so perhaps he will reach out to the others. This is problematic of course because the SNP will demand Indyref2 as their reward and no doubt the others will demand various concessions.

Of course it may just back fire as not everybody who votes for the smaller parties is committed. Some no doubt vote to punish
the Tories might just decide the idea of Wee Jimmy crowing is too much and switch back to the Conservatives.

Its a Game of Thrones.

Edited by Badger11 (06 May 2022 9.28am)

With bells on. and so overdue.

This labour party is so out of touch, they don't even know what type of party they are trying to be.

Perfect example is Labour putting out anti-Lib Dem material stating that the libs want to legalise drugs and soften punishments... when numerous studies have shown there is considerable appetite for legalisation and softening of punishments within public opinion and the labour membership specifically.

It's basically an advert for those people to vote lib-dem... from Labour.

A shame because others have said it should have been a total walk given the performance of the government.

 

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