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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 06 May 22 4.44pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Not seeing population density there

It's per million of the population.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 May 22 5.09pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

It was Europe you quoted. Your WHO data were 4 months more dated than the Statista data by the way.

Now, the claim from the Government has always been we way outperformed our peers.

So I loaded the full data set from the WHO. Rate per 100,000 population for the two years of 2020 and 2021.

We are 139 out of 194 countries worldwide. I shall repeat that, we are in the 72nd percentile.

Now, of the large and wealthy European countries our rate was the same as that of Spain and marginally better than Germany, which has an average age of 51.06 compared to 46.96 in the UK. Germany's normal mortality rate is 11.17 deaths, the UK's 9.33.

We also had fewer deaths than Italy, which as you will remember went into a healthcare meltdown.

The European countries that had fewer excess deaths per 100,000 population than the UK were, in order:

Norway
Finland
Ireland
Denmark
Cyprus
Switzerland
Malta
Sweden
France
Austria
Belgium
Netherlands
Greece
Portugal

It absolutely boils my p*ss when BoJo raves about what a great job we did with the virus and vaccinations, something he seems to be hanging his hat on for his political survival. We didn't, we did pretty meh.

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We have fewer people fully vaccinated than the following European countries:

Norway
Germany
Finland
France
Belgium
Italy
Ireland
Denmark
Spain
Malta
Portugal

The good news is we are slightly better than Bangladesh.

I strongly recommend you either stop reading the Daily Mail or try to complement that with something informative. You could also try digging into the Mail's data sources as I did.

Edited by Mapletree (06 May 2022 3.57pm)

Pure spin.

Who would I rather believe?


It's also interesting timing when the police suddenly investigate 'new evidence' on Starmer's beergate just after the elections have finished.

Not at all suspicious.

I hope he will take his own advice and resign if found guilty.

On the other hand, I hope he doesn't. He will guarantee another romping Tory win in 2024.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 06 May 22 5.14pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

"The BBC calculates that based on these results, if the whole country had been voting - Labour would have 35% of the vote, Conservative 30%, Lib Dems 19% and others 16%"

Bit of a shake up then. but it much would depend on where geoegrapihcally they votes fall ina GE. Level pegging between CON and LAB in odds to win next election. I think that tells us more people how disappointed many are with the current government, rather than they're at all impressed with Labour though. The next few years are bound to be dire economically, so it's a better time to be the opposition than lumbered with it really. Whether that factors into when the next GE takes place reamins to be seen.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 May 22 5.21pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

"The BBC calculates that based on these results, if the whole country had been voting - Labour would have 35% of the vote, Conservative 30%, Lib Dems 19% and others 16%"

Bit of a shake up then. but it much would depend on where geoegrapihcally they votes fall ina GE. Level pegging between CON and LAB in odds to win next election. I think that tells us more people how disappointed many are with the current government, rather than they're at all impressed with Labour though. The next few years are bound to be dire economically, so it's a better time to be the opposition than lumbered with it really. Whether that factors into when the next GE takes place reamins to be seen.

Same old mid term blah blah.

No opposition party has ever made up a such a big government majority in one election. A Labour win is highly unlikely, but a reduced majority is inevitable.

The cycle of politics.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 06 May 22 5.24pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Same old mid term blah blah.

No opposition party has ever made up a such a big government majority in one election. A Labour win is highly unlikely, but a reduced majority is inevitable.

The cycle of politics.

Yes, there's likely something to that. Not much motivation to zone for the status quo. Will have to see what happens between now and election really, rather than read too much into this.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 06 May 22 5.38pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Pure spin.

Who would I rather believe?


It's also interesting timing when the police suddenly investigate 'new evidence' on Starmer's beergate just after the elections have finished.

Not at all suspicious.

I hope he will take his own advice and resign if found guilty.

On the other hand, I hope he doesn't. He will guarantee another romping Tory win in 2024.

What is spin? Do you query the data I have provided?

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 06 May 22 5.43pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

WTF has this got to do with LOCAL ELECTIONS? You know the thread TOPIC

So the PERFORMANCE of THE Government is not relevant to HOW people voted in the LOCAL elections? THIS is THE point. THE Government has claimed to PERFORM well but IN fact that is PURE bluster. Nevertheless, SOME people DO believe in the bluster and SEEM incapable OF checking the facts. THIS election is particularly STRONGLY linked to Central Government DUE to its DIVISIVE nature and lies and half-truths.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 06 May 22 5.59pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It's per million of the population.

Yes it is. That is so we can compare countries

But it isnít population density. See my other post on that topic.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 06 May 22 6.09pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Yes it is. That is so we can compare countries

But it isnít population density. See my other post on that topic.

And by that comparison we did averagely well.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 06 May 22 6.33pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

And by that comparison we did averagely well.

Which was, indeed my point. But I said meh.

BoJo has other views. For example

Mr Johnson will also hail the UK's economic performance, saying that the "overriding reason" why the UK has been able to "maintain the most open economy and society of any major European economy" is due to its vaccine rollout.

 

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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 06 May 22 6.43pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

So the PERFORMANCE of THE Government is not relevant to HOW people voted in the LOCAL elections? THIS is THE point. THE Government has claimed to PERFORM well but IN fact that is PURE bluster. Nevertheless, SOME people DO believe in the bluster and SEEM incapable OF checking the facts. THIS election is particularly STRONGLY linked to Central Government DUE to its DIVISIVE nature and lies and half-truths.

You should be a politician, you sure know how to 'spin' something to suit your own narrative, btw, population density has NOTHING to do with LOCAL elections, which incase you have forgotten, is this threads topic.

 


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I Have Become,
Comfortably Numb.

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 06 May 22 6.47pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Which was, indeed my point. But I said meh.

BoJo has other views. For example

Mr Johnson will also hail the UK's economic performance, saying that the "overriding reason" why the UK has been able to "maintain the most open economy and society of any major European economy" is due to its vaccine rollout.

Vulnerable people will tend to vote labour. Surviving elderly people mainly vote Tory. Many Tory voters will have wanted freedom back. Starmer didnít. He wanted more of anything Johnson did. The Tories know theyíll have the advantage in this area. Few know what Starmer stands for, including his vote vote.

Governments certainly lose elections rather than opposition winning them, but you have to be a decent opposition. Theyíre both sh1te btw.

 


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