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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 04 Jul 22 5.42am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

Burnley (allegedly) have financial challenges compounded by relegation so it wouldn't be surprising if they were trying to hold out for as much as they could get -

Originally posted by antipodeagle

The Sun saying we're in for Dwight McNeil. Not heard anything on that one Dazza? Would have thought more m than the m we've allegedly proposed:

'Crystal Palace want to sign Dwight McNeil from Burnley while West Ham also admire the English winger, 22, but Burnley are likely to want more than the £10m the London clubs would be ready to pay. (Sun)'

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 04 Jul 22 7.51am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by antipodeagle

The Sun saying we're in for Dwight McNeil. Not heard anything on that one Dazza? Would have thought more m than the m we've allegedly proposed:

'Crystal Palace want to sign Dwight McNeil from Burnley while West Ham also admire the English winger, 22, but Burnley are likely to want more than the £10m the London clubs would be ready to pay. (Sun)'

Surely this must be Fake, how many left footed wingers do we need, Olise, Ebiowei, Rak-Sakyi, Schlupp and even Ayew who is right footed plays on the right, only way we would buy McNeil is if Olise was leaving, a right footer as cover for Wilf (if he stays) would be better

 


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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Surely this must be Fake, how many left footed wingers do we need, Olise, Ebiowei, Rak-Sakyi, Schlupp and even Ayew who is right footed plays on the right, only way we would buy McNeil is if Olise was leaving, a right footer as cover for Wilf (if he stays) would be better

Maybe the thought is Eduoard can cover Wilf.

 

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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Surely this must be Fake, how many left footed wingers do we need, Olise, Ebiowei, Rak-Sakyi, Schlupp and even Ayew who is right footed plays on the right, only way we would buy McNeil is if Olise was leaving, a right footer as cover for Wilf (if he stays) would be better

West Ham are supposedly after him so maybe Burnley are trying to drum up some competition?

 


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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Surely this must be Fake, how many left footed wingers do we need, Olise, Ebiowei, Rak-Sakyi, Schlupp and even Ayew who is right footed plays on the right, only way we would buy McNeil is if Olise was leaving, a right footer as cover for Wilf (if he stays) would be better


If I'm not mistaken McNeil tended to play as a traditional left winger for Burnley. I think this story has come from Dougie's friend Alan Nixon so may have some legs. Let's face it, we don't know what's going to happen with Wilf, if anything, this window. Given the club's apparent rigid policy of only offering 1 year extensions to players over 30 and given Wilf will be 30 this autumn, the club either needs to get him to agree a longer extension now or who knows what will happen.

Edited by doombear (04 Jul 2022 9.27am)

 

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Originally posted by eritheagle

I'm under the impression that when buying from abroad you have to pay all the money up front unlike domestic transfers where you can pay over the length of the contract.
That is maybe why we had to haggle so much over Dacoure's fee.

No, it's the other way round.

All UK transfers must be paid for in full within 12 months and a minimum of 50% must be paid upfront. Most transfers are therefore 50% on date of signing and 50% in 12 months. Some clubs can request all the money upfront - i suspect we this this for Plange.
The only way around this is with add ons as these are not guaranteed. Making the add on quite easy to obtain is a way around this.

Foreign transfers have no such limitations so it is up to the 2 clubs to agreed. Usually it is over the length of the contract but the selling club will usually request as much as they can upfront. So say over 3 years it might be 40% upfront and 20% for the next 3 anniversaries.

A few years ago when Arsenal were after Zaha i think they bid c£40m claiming that was all they could afford, yet a few days later went out and paid £72m for Pepe. I strongly suspect that £72m was spread over a 4 or 5 year payment schedule

 

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Originally posted by palace99

A few years ago when Arsenal were after Zaha i think they bid c£40m claiming that was all they could afford, yet a few days later went out and paid £72m for Pepe. I strongly suspect that £72m was spread over a 4 or 5 year payment schedule

It was stated at the time that the reason that they went for Pepe was the extended payment terms offered by the selling club

 

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Plus points for McNeil:

- Negates the need to sign another striker if Benteke goes. We rotate Edouard and Mateta knowing we can use Zaha as a third option and still have cover out wide.
- Has played 134 games in the Premier League and is only 22
- This summer he is probably the cheapest he'll ever be due to Burnley's situation and his name being out of the headlines for a while - Burnley wanted £30m for him a couple of years ago. It'd be difficult for him to be worth less money at the end of his next contract if we signed him.
- Other than Zaha, we don't have another player who would say their preferred position is LW, other than maybe Eze who many want to see in a central midfield 3. Ebiowei, Olise, Rak-Sakyi, Ayew all prefer the right and Edouard isn't good enough defensively to consistently play on the left.

Downside:

- He's only scored 7 Premier League goals with 17 assists in 134 games. Even with Burnley's record, that's not good.
- It could mean taking money away from higher priority positions.

Summary:

In short, if the club is bringing in McNeil with a view to moving on Benteke then I can see where they're coming from - financially it starts to net out and we have a cheaper, younger, experienced prospect that we'll likely make money on.

If McNeil is an incremental signing, it doesn't make much sense at all. We end up with a lot of players of about the same ability.

 


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Originally posted by dazza

So have been told today that next week is going to be a big week for at least 2 announcements expected but could be as many as 4 new signings this week.

Doucoure
Downes

Possibles

Aribo - Talks taking place
O’Brien - supposedly we are back in on this
Richard’s & Colwill - enquiries made
AWB & Kabore - enquiries made

Thanks for the update Daz

 

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Originally posted by ambrose7

Plus points for McNeil:

- Negates the need to sign another striker if Benteke goes. We rotate Edouard and Mateta knowing we can use Zaha as a third option and still have cover out wide.
- Has played 134 games in the Premier League and is only 22
- This summer he is probably the cheapest he'll ever be due to Burnley's situation and his name being out of the headlines for a while - Burnley wanted £30m for him a couple of years ago. It'd be difficult for him to be worth less money at the end of his next contract if we signed him.
- Other than Zaha, we don't have another player who would say their preferred position is LW, other than maybe Eze who many want to see in a central midfield 3. Ebiowei, Olise, Rak-Sakyi, Ayew all prefer the right and Edouard isn't good enough defensively to consistently play on the left.

Downside:

- He's only scored 7 Premier League goals with 17 assists in 134 games. Even with Burnley's record, that's not good.
- It could mean taking money away from higher priority positions.

Summary:

In short, if the club is bringing in McNeil with a view to moving on Benteke then I can see where they're coming from - financially it starts to net out and we have a cheaper, younger, experienced prospect that we'll likely make money on.

If McNeil is an incremental signing, it doesn't make much sense at all. We end up with a lot of players of about the same ability.

But Vieira likes a Right-Footed player on the Left

 


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Originally posted by ambrose7


- He's only scored 7 Premier League goals with 17 assists in 134 games. Even with Burnley's record, that's not good.

Including secondary assists, he has 38 to his name and has been Burnley's most creative player - a low bar admittedly - ever since he came into their team. The red flag is that he has deteriorated every season stats-wise but he may just need a change of scenery. At almost 18 months younger than EZE, I'd take a punt on him

 

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Originally posted by pssguy

Including secondary assists, he has 38 to his name and has been Burnley's most creative player - a low bar admittedly - ever since he came into their team. The red flag is that he has deteriorated every season stats-wise but he may just need a change of scenery. At almost 18 months younger than EZE, I'd take a punt on him

When he first entered the scene I thought he'd be a perfect replacement for Andros but that we wouldn't have a chance signing him!

He has gotten noticeably worse every season however and I would be keen but only at a cut price. Although I am possibly the greatest footballing mind the world has ever known I could very well be proved wrong on this one. All a bit hypothetical for now in any case.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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