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Originally posted by berlinpalace

Always entertaining to read the ‘opinions’ of a bunch of middle aged racists and I’m so not surprised to see the usual suspects all over this. Thanks guys, you never disappoint.

Do you honestly believe that the boards of clubs worth hundreds of millions, if not billions, appoint managers based on their skin colour?

 

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View tonymikejoe's Profile tonymikejoe Flag UK 08 Aug 22 12.04am Send a Private Message to tonymikejoe Add tonymikejoe as a friend

Originally posted by CT Charlie

Only 2 of the 98 clubs in the big five UEFA leagues have black managers. Patrick Vieira has termed it "disturbing." I call it very low indeed, and I wonder why it is so...


A huge negative in appointing Vieira are his extremist views.
He was notoriously airing them for years in public when employed as a pundit.
Most notably when working in Poland for Euro 2012 and remarking on the "lack of black faces in the country."
It was disturbing to hear the Senegal-born Vieira condemn the nation of Poland for being 'too white' for his tastes and he labelled the local population "under educated."
He has been at it for years and it is a dark side to his character I have personally always found troubling.

 

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Originally posted by berlinpalace

Always entertaining to read the ‘opinions’ of a bunch of middle aged racists and I’m so not surprised to see the usual suspects all over this. Thanks guys, you never disappoint.

So I pay my £600 a year ST, alongside another say £200 for away tickets as well as probably another £1000 or more in travel and food and drink to watch a primarily BLACK football team that I love; and I’m a racist. Tbh in my world colour is skin deep.
It’s attitude that notices it; as you and your ilk permanently drill into people !

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There are reasons why so many Black players are playing in our leagues, a lot of which is due to the scouting process at school age and the price of players from certain countries.

Selecting managers and coaches is based on their perceived abilities and likelihood of winning games.

We now have many people employed in this country who were selected purely to tick a box and there are many examples, some of which I am personally aware of, who could not do the job. Top football clubs cannot afford to do that with manages.

It also has a lot to do with the way the game has evolved . The days of a rotund Phil Holder controlling the midfield or a ponderous big man up front have long gone . We now see a faster game with athletic attributes trumping almost every other aspect of the game . And lets face it ,you only have to look at the recent athletics , the black boys come out as winners on that score .

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 08 Aug 22 6.51am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There are reasons why so many Black players are playing in our leagues, a lot of which is due to the scouting process at school age and the price of players from certain countries.

Selecting managers and coaches is based on their perceived abilities and likelihood of winning games.

We now have many people employed in this country who were selected purely to tick a box and there are many examples, some of which I am personally aware of, who could not do the job. Top football clubs cannot afford to do that with manages.

What scouting process at school age means there are so many black players in our leagues?

 


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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 08 Aug 22 8.27am Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

What scouting process at school age means there are so many black players in our leagues?

Don't you mean Palace Rudi? We are predominantly a black team now with a black manager. The area where the club is based has a large black community and if we take local talent there is a good chance they'll be black kids. Although, I accept we have a fair few black, foreign players too.

It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it is quite noticeable nonetheless.

 


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Originally posted by Casual

Yeah. Just seems weird in a politically correct world, the media would say that the 2000 England team , were 5/6 black , inc Cole and Ferdinand as black.
Don’t care, just never really got it.

Good morning Casual. I’m not working this week - so will try to help you out.

Take Barack Obama - his father was African, his mother “European” - mixed race but how was he viewed? By society? Most definitely black.

The mixed race people I know mostly feel that “black” is the right category for them in a mostly white society. It might be hard to get your head around but, not being automatically part of the main group makes you a minority. And as many black people will tell you - it only takes one person to say “go back to where you come from, monkey” for you to recalibrate your sense of what group you’re in.

Yes it’s happened to me more times than I care to mention or remember. I feel sorry for those idiots that say such things. Croydon born and bred. They can eff off.

So you’re right about it being political correct- after all race is about politics (I don’t mean in the party politics sense) but calling oneself black is not about being “right-on” - which is how I assume you meant it. Apologies if that’s incorrect.

As for kneeling- it’s up to the players, if you ask me. Given the amount of abuse players continue to receive- I wonder if it has had any real positive effect and the FA are using it to say they are doing something, when they’re doing F.A.

Some say it makes things worse.

“I wasn’t a racist until I saw them kneeling- how dare they stick it down my non-racist throat”.

Not sure I follow that logic…

Anyway mate - that’s my two pennies.
I don’t plan to return to this topic - I use this forum for Palace and avoid General talk like the plague.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Aug 22 9.45am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

What scouting process at school age means there are so many black players in our leagues?

Because Black kids tend to be more physically mature at a younger age, and speed and athleticism tend to be favoured in the modern game.
This means that the less physically developed White kids with skill often get overlooked.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 08 Aug 22 11.25am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Don't you mean Palace Rudi? We are predominantly a black team now with a black manager. The area where the club is based has a large black community and if we take local talent there is a good chance they'll be black kids. Although, I accept we have a fair few black, foreign players too.

It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it is quite noticeable nonetheless.

It’s not a geographically local question. It’s a general one and Hrolf is partly right.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 08 Aug 22 11.28am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Because Black kids tend to be more physically mature at a younger age, and speed and athleticism tend to be favoured in the modern game.
This means that the less physically developed White kids with skill often get overlooked.

I agree earlier physical development is one reason black kids get through more, but I think it’s also determination due to childhood situations, plus the amount they’re likely to and do play over white boys. South London estate kids are always playing like kids used to.

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 08 Aug 22 11.50am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by tonymikejoe


A huge negative in appointing Vieira are his extremist views.
He was notoriously airing them for years in public when employed as a pundit.
Most notably when working in Poland for Euro 2012 and remarking on the "lack of black faces in the country."
It was disturbing to hear the Senegal-born Vieira condemn the nation of Poland for being 'too white' for his tastes and he labelled the local population "under educated."
He has been at it for years and it is a dark side to his character I have personally always found troubling.

I don't think it's that extremist to point out the lack of black people in much of Eastern Europe. Frankly, a lot of the people in those countries are openly racist. They're not really mixed race societies like the UK.
However, complaining about English football is a bit much as it is well over represented by rich black people, with people of all colours counting them as heroes.
A bit like Vieira is/ could be a Palace legend.
Did you perhaps consider Vieira experienced racism in Poland? I don't know, just a guess.
As for the manager and coach situation, give it a few years and many more ex players who are black will be coaching. It's just going to take a bit of time. When you consider it, there have really only been so many black players since the late 80s and more in the 90s. Around now is actually the time when, like Vieira, many of them will have retired from playing, qualified and started to coach. There will be far more ex players who are black from now on than there ever were.

 


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Originally posted by tonymikejoe


A huge negative in appointing Vieira are his extremist views.
He was notoriously airing them for years in public when employed as a pundit.
Most notably when working in Poland for Euro 2012 and remarking on the "lack of black faces in the country."
It was disturbing to hear the Senegal-born Vieira condemn the nation of Poland for being 'too white' for his tastes and he labelled the local population "under educated."
He has been at it for years and it is a dark side to his character I have personally always found troubling.

His exact quotes were:

Patrick Vieira claims he has been made to feel uncomfortable in Warsaw and believes there is a "lack of education" in Poland.

The former Arsenal midfielder also thinks that Uefa have missed the boat for tackling racism at the tournament.

Vieira told ITV: "I have been here for two or three days now and I feel strange walking around this city (Warsaw).

“You can feel there is not so many black people around and people look at you strange. I feel there is a lack of education of this country."

It's not a case of being too white for his tastes, he's clearly talking about the way he is being treated by others. It is well known that there is a far right, racist element to some of the football hooligan groups out in Eastern Europe.

If you think what he has said there is an extreme view, certainly in light of the action that organisations such as UEFA have had to take in Poland against racism and a Panorama documentary at the time which showed the below, then you really don't know the meaning of the word.

"Panorama spent a month filming at matches in both the joint host nations and witnessed Nazi salutes from the terraces, black players being taunted with monkey chants, rampant anti-Semitism and a vicious assault on a group of Asian students."

In a statement, Uefa said: "Uefa Euro 2012 brings the spotlight on the host countries and clearly creates an opportunity to address and confront such societal issues.

 


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