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View Glazier#1's Profile Glazier#1 Flag 31 Aug 22 6.51am Send a Private Message to Glazier#1 Add Glazier#1 as a friend

Given I agree with the comments about the wrong subd call by PV, I still thought that, for all our pressure before that, we just looked blunt, for the most part.

The final ball was invariably poor and movement around the box hardly there at all.

I thought Eze was under par and also that Olise, for all his possession was lacking quality on the final ball and his delivery was far short of his brilliant ability to deliver a killer cross.. Mats was hardly a threat at all, in spite of his gangly presence.

If it wasn't for the brilliance of the Wilf strike we probably would have got a 0-0 draw.

In my opinion.

 

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View cardiff eagle's Profile cardiff eagle Flag 31 Aug 22 7.09am Send a Private Message to cardiff eagle Add cardiff eagle as a friend

The fact everyone agrees the subs were poor and thereís not really any debate says it all. It goes back to last season when we kept throwing away leads. Thinking of Arsenal in particular where Tomkins came on at a time we were dominating and just invited pressure. It was the same thing last night- we were in control, Brentford were stretched which suited our counter attacking ability and he then takes off all flair and skill and brings on defensive players. It was a clear signal to Brentford to go for it and go for it they did and in the end we were lucky to get a point. Luka obviously was terrible- just fouled and gave the ball away. Not his fault but heís just not a premier league player anymore so why heís being brought on I donít know. Hughes a far better option.

What I also noticed was that when Mitchell came on, Ward shrugged his shoulders and looked really confused. He didnít have a clue what system we were going to. That back 5 really doesnít work imo. We can say it worked against Liverpool but really on another night if Nunez brought his shooting boots weíd have been 3 or 4 down at half time.

 

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View Slimey Toad's Profile Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 31 Aug 22 7.10am Send a Private Message to Slimey Toad Add Slimey Toad as a friend

No Zaha, one point so far this season. SN Hill gets it right about the tissue paper midfield. Starting with Schlupp and bringing on Luka.

Come on!

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 31 Aug 22 7.20am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Just because you can now make more subs doesnít mean you have to.
As someone else alluded to, it smacks of Sunday football by giving players a game for no reason as we had been comfortable and the changes definitely unsettled us.
This is the 3rd goal we have conceded in 5 games this season from an unchallenged header around the six yard box and clearly this has to stop.
Anderson and Guehi have been great for us but can switch off from crosses and Vieira suggested post match that we needed to stop the crosses coming in as well.
He said the changes were made because he had noticed that Brentford had come back in other games this season through use of subs and he wanted to respond.
Although the reasons may have been sound it has to be acknowledged that they did not work as it had the effect of inviting pressure .
As Wilf said in this situation surely itís preferable to go for a second goal to kill the game off. There would have been more space as Brentford pushed for an equaliser.
It was not by any means a terrible performance, but I hope that we have learnt lessons from last season about throwing away points.

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 31 Aug 22 7.42am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

I think everything has been said, PV big mistake, to see two out
of the three oppositions best players being substituted, gives the opposing team a massive lift, we dont have the players to play 3 at the back only 5, we wait hoping for a couple of decent players before the deadline, but i think it might not happen

 


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The strangest thing about the subs was that prior to them defensively we were denying Brentford any chances and looked solid, so why change formation? Playing a right-back at left-back can actually work with the way every winger wants to cut inside these days (as it puts the defender on their stronger foot) and Ward stopped Mbuemo a couple of times, while I don't remember Clyne being worked too hard. Toney was getting frustrated as Andersen wasn't giving him a sniff and we dealt with their Tony Pulis style set-pieces and throw-ins fairly comfortably. Then Vieira makes the changes, the shape goes and no-one seems to know their role, meaning Wissa is unmarked to score.

In games where we're not going to go direct I almost wonder if we might as well just stick Ayew up top as at least the ball sticks to him and he has the energy to keep closing defenders down. Edouard and Mateta especially often seem unable to hold the ball and neither puts much pressure on the defence in terms of closing down. Mateta has shown he's great if you get the ball to him in the box, but outside of it he offers little more than being a nuisance.

Like Brentford, Newcastle are a very well organised, physical and well drilled team, but with more quality. If we play like last night we'll lose. On the plus side Olise played really well given he didn't have a preseason and if he stays fit should start sharpening up his end product, which was not far off. Also Doucoure was a beast. What happens between now and 11PM tomorrow could well define the rest of our season.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 31 Aug 22 8.13am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

Given I agree with the comments about the wrong subd call by PV, I still thought that, for all our pressure before that, we just looked blunt, for the most part.

The final ball was invariably poor and movement around the box hardly there at all.

I thought Eze was under par and also that Olise, for all his possession was lacking quality on the final ball and his delivery was far short of his brilliant ability to deliver a killer cross.. Mats was hardly a threat at all, in spite of his gangly presence.

If it wasn't for the brilliance of the Wilf strike we probably would have got a 0-0 draw.

In my opinion.

My thoughts too.

PV's poor tactical subs are getting the focus but I thought it was a disappointing performance particularly in the first half.

The game itself lacked quality and really that cracker from Wilf should have been a matchwinner.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 31 Aug 22 8.23am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

My thoughts too.

PV's poor tactical subs are getting the focus but I thought it was a disappointing performance particularly in the first half.

The game itself lacked quality and really that cracker from Wilf should have been a matchwinner.

Yep spot on for me, G#1 too.

We played in second gear for the most part, they ran well but declined as match wore on. Was a game where neither side really earned a win.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 31 Aug 22 8.25am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

Considering Brentford could and should have won it in the last 7 minutes Iím grateful for the point we did not deserve. We are next up at Newcastle on Saturday and with our error prone defence and non existent strikers I fear the worse as we tumble towards the relegation zone!

I'm with you there, I'm afraid. Add the fact that we've also managed to weaken the midfield! The simple fact is that the Premier League has moved on, but we have failed to do so. Given our lack of resources, that's not surprising, unless the last 2 days of the window produce something extraordinary, I fear it's going to be a long, hard season.

 


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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 31 Aug 22 8.29am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

There is nothing wrong in just saying Brantford deserved their point, they caused us problems from the very start and can understand our subs based on our slender lead.

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 31 Aug 22 8.29am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

In the 76th minute we had have 13 shots to their 4 and 61% possession, after the changes it finished 13 to their 9 and 49% possession

 


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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 31 Aug 22 8.38am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

In the 76th minute we had have 13 shots to their 4 and 61% possession, after the changes it finished 13 to their 9 and 49% possession

That's what happens when you willingly cede possession through applying a defensive mindset and not competing in other areas of the park, most notably the midfield. One would have thought that being a midfielder in his day Vieira might know this, yet he keeps making the same error. Perhaps, as I suggest, we are just too thin in the midfield to play a sustained competitive game in that area.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (31 Aug 2022 8.39am)

 

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