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View dg1937's Profile dg1937 Flag 31 Aug 22 9.23am Send a Private Message to dg1937 Add dg1937 as a friend

First of all I share the massive disappointment with the result.

But I'm going to stick my head above the parapet and defend PV - a bit.

As far as the subs were concerned, Brentford had just thrown on three sets of fresh legs. Sometimes you need to respond to what the other guy does.

Clearly PV thought we needed fresh legs, especially in midfield. Sending Ayew on made sense. Eze wasn't having his best game in my view and, whatever his faults, Ayew is always energetic.

Who could he send on for a tiring Schlupp? There really weren't many options on the bench. No one is going to pretend Luca is the player he once was and I do get a sense of foreboding when he comes on but he really isn't as awful as some on here seem to think. People have suggested Hughes is a better option but he wasn't even on the bench (injured?). MacArthur would have been ideal but he wasn't available either. The only other option on the bench was Phillips who I have hardly seen play.

The problem with going to five at the back with Mitchell on for Olise seemed to be that the players didn't then have a clue what they were supposed to be doing. They have played five at the back before, they train for that formation, they should have been able to handle it better than they did. Instead there was a collective mental breakdown with even Guaita making some God awful clearances. And the centre backs have to take responsibility for the absolutely appalling defending for the equaliser.

We do need a couple of incoming transfers that's for sure and clearly we need to keep Wilf.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Aug 22 9.30am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by dg1937

First of all I share the massive disappointment with the result.

But I'm going to stick my head above the parapet and defend PV - a bit.

As far as the subs were concerned, Brentford had just thrown on three sets of fresh legs. Sometimes you need to respond to what the other guy does.

Clearly PV thought we needed fresh legs, especially in midfield. Sending Ayew on made sense. Eze wasn't having his best game in my view and, whatever his faults, Ayew is always energetic.

Who could he send on for a tiring Schlupp? There really weren't many options on the bench. No one is going to pretend Luca is the player he once was and I do get a sense of foreboding when he comes on but he really isn't as awful as some on here seem to think. People have suggested Hughes is a better option but he wasn't even on the bench (injured?). MacArthur would have been ideal but he wasn't available either. The only other option on the bench was Phillips who I have hardly seen play.

The problem with going to five at the back with Mitchell on for Olise seemed to be that the players didn't then have a clue what they were supposed to be doing. They have played five at the back before, they train for that formation, they should have been able to handle it better than they did. Instead there was a collective mental breakdown with even Guaita making some God awful clearances. And the centre backs have to take responsibility for the absolutely appalling defending for the equaliser.

We do need a couple of incoming transfers that's for sure and clearly we need to keep Wilf.

Milivojevic provides no freshness at all, slow, not mobile enough for the rigours of the PL.I shudder when he is introduced into the fray and I admit to exhaling a walrus moan when he ran on to the hallowed turf.

Apropos the centre-backs I have been consistently critical of Andersen as a defender and I have not been overly impressed with Guehi either.

For the darned equaliser we had 4 players around 2 Brentford players before the cross was delivered, Andersen was in acres of space marking nobody and Brentford had a 2v2 situation in the centre of the box.Mitchell caught ball-watching and should have got closer to Wissa.A catalogue of woe.

Edited by Willo (31 Aug 2022 9.57am)

 

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View palace chick's Profile palace chick Flag South Croydon 31 Aug 22 10.06am Send a Private Message to palace chick Add palace chick as a friend

Iím not with the full on criticism of Luka coming on. All that was required was a bulking up of the midfield with perhaps Ayew on the right and Luka alongside Dacoure and Schlupp. It was messing around with the defence and practically all the others on the pitch that caused the problems. PV screwed up a win last night and thank goodness we got a point.

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 31 Aug 22 10.23am Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by palace chick

Iím not with the full on criticism of Luka coming on.All that was required was a bulking up of the midfield with perhaps Ayew on the right and Luka alongside Dacoure and Schlupp. It was messing around with the defence and practically all the others on the pitch that caused the problems. PV screwed up a win last night and thank goodness we got a point.

Well, sorry to disagree chick, but I am....in spades. He is no longer able to make any worthwhile contribution to our game. As I recall from last night, the first thing he did was commit a foul and give away a free kick. Please desist from playing him PV.

We're we really that tired towards the end of the game? Our marking in the build up to their goal was woeful. But, disappointing as last night's result was, we're still only 5 games in. No cause for alarm.

 


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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 31 Aug 22 10.27am Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by palace chick

Iím not with the full on criticism of Luka coming on. All that was required was a bulking up of the midfield with perhaps Ayew on the right and Luka alongside Dacoure and Schlupp. It was messing around with the defence and practically all the others on the pitch that caused the problems. PV screwed up a win last night and thank goodness we got a point.

On paper you are right PV screwed up ,but only because the players he trusted to do a job screwed up a simple defensive situation. We need an old head in these situations to make sure the doors are closed, because the young lads we have obviously donít read these situations anywhere near well enough, it is happening to often. Going by his interview even the usually cool PV is getting annoyed with the situation.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Aug 22 10.30am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Well, sorry to disagree chick, but I am....in spades. He is no longer able to make any worthwhile contribution to our game. As I recall from last night, the first thing he did was commit a foul and give away a free kick. Please desist from playing him PV.

We're we really that tired towards the end of the game? Our marking in the build up to their goal was woeful. But, disappointing as last night's result was, we're still only 5 games in. No cause for alarm.

I am in total agreement.

Milivojevic's contributions are merely fouling and giving away free kicks inviting pressure.Slow,cumbersome, unable to copy with the intensity of the PL. A total liability.

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 31 Aug 22 10.44am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

When Brentford Scored PV was really animated on the touchline last night, you could easily see was pretty upset.

Originally posted by Putitout

On paper you are right PV screwed up ,but only because the players he trusted to do a job screwed up a simple defensive situation. We need an old head in these situations to make sure the doors are closed, because the young lads we have obviously donít read these situations anywhere near well enough, it is happening to often. Going by his interview even the usually cool PV is getting annoyed with the situation.

 

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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 31 Aug 22 10.51am Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Milivojevic provides no freshness at all, slow, not mobile enough for the rigours of the PL.I shudder when he is introduced into the fray and I admit to exhaling a walrus moan when he ran on to the hallowed turf.

Apropos the centre-backs I have been consistently critical of Andersen as a defender and I have not been overly impressed with Guehi either.

For the darned equaliser we had 4 players around 2 Brentford players before the cross was delivered, Andersen was in acres of space marking nobody and Brentford had a 2v2 situation in the centre of the box.Mitchell caught ball-watching and should have got closer to Wissa.A catalogue of woe.

Edited by Willo (31 Aug 2022 9.57am)

Agree regarding Luka. When he came on , it was like everyone in the holmesdale had received a text that their mother in law was coming to stay.
Currently he is such a poor player, zero mobility, just stands in the semi circle at the edge of the penalty box and gives away the occasional foul.
The only instance I could see him coming on , that would be a benefit, would be at the end of extra time in the cup if we needed a penalty taker.
The result wasnít his fault yesterday, but he should be no where near a premier league match day squad, let alone playing.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 31 Aug 22 10.53am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Surprised by the Luca criticism as I saw the true offender as Mitchell. He made error after error after coming on; and he was literally marking no-one when THAT cross came over.

I am with Wilf with the frustration as he must have watched that free header and thought: WTF.

Depressingly, Mitchell (and Olise - almost there) needs a bit more game time before he was the beast who all but fended off Man City single handed last season.

 

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View mezzer's Profile mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 31 Aug 22 10.57am Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

Maybe PV should sing his song in his head before making substitutions.

"He knows exactly what we need....Olise in attack, Mitchell at the back"....

Replacing Olise with Mitchell was exactly what we did not need.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 31 Aug 22 11.02am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

On paper you are right PV screwed up ,but only because the players he trusted to do a job screwed up a simple defensive situation. We need an old head in these situations to make sure the doors are closed, because the young lads we have obviously donít read these situations anywhere near well enough, it is happening to often. Going by his interview even the usually cool PV is getting annoyed with the situation.

I would propose that if you are the manager it is your duty to choose the right tactics and players for any situation you assess, and to have trained them, therefore PV is at fault. He could well be animated at Johnstone coming on and missing a last minute penalty we might of won but would again be responsible if Johnstone taking it is his decision. Bad worker - tools springs to mind.

The context here being that I don't think there's need for massive reaction just yet but it is something PV needs to address and he has to take responsibility for not managing us to see that game out yesterday which I, and I think many others (including Wilf), are inclined to believe we could have done.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View The groover's Profile The groover Flag Danbury 31 Aug 22 11.34am Send a Private Message to The groover Add The groover as a friend

I think even PV he understands that he screwed up. By changing the team so dramatically we had no attacking outlet. We went from Eze, Olise, Wilf, Eddie and schlupp to eddie and wilf.

We should have brought on Eboiwei if we were going 4-5-1. or 5-4-1

That would at least have given us another attacking option. We just kept feeding the ball back to them.

 

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