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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 22 12.48pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Indulging in somebody else's delusions, or wishes, to identify as something they factually are not should not be requisite of the vast majority of the population.

If people choose to act, behave or of course even dabble in dubious sciences these days to deny their own biological truth then it is up to them to decide what they need to do when they need a p!ss. It is not for the rest of us to have no option but to collude in this bonkers lie.

Safe spaces are designed for women due to their vulnerability,
for their right to privacy and to reduce the far higher risk of a crime being committed by a man upon a woman. The removal of such measures places females at risk and empower failures and the mentally ill who need help and not for their misfortune to be encouraged.

Gender neutral toilets and changing rooms are not an 'easy answer', that is the stupidest thing I have read on this site even within a vast, vast array of nonsense and b0110cks that can be found, some of which I feel confident asserting that I have authored myself.

You might wish to classify this as a "delusion" but I can assure you that my erstwhile grandson, now a granddaughter, would strongly disagree with you. They are highly intelligent, currently studying for their masters at Southampton University, and will probably go on to get a doctorate. They achieved 4 straight "A"s at A level. They never had any interest in girls and always wore their hair long. Looking back, it all now makes some sense.

Quite frankly, when they use the female toilets, as they now do, no-one will be the slightest concerned because they will not be aware. You are not "colluding" in a lie. You are unaware that you would think one was going on.

Forcing people like them to use the male toilets would create a much greater risk than any that currently exists from them.

It's been necessary for me to re-evaluate my own attitude on this in the light of my personal experiences providing greater understanding.

My grandchild poses no threat to any woman, so perhaps we should allow the women, rather than the men, to express their opinions.

If you truly think gender-neutral toilets is the "stupidest thing I have read on this site" then I don't think you can possibly have read every thread. We already have some here, in tourist dominated locations, so I suspect this will be the way forward.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Sep 22 12.52pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Indulging in somebody else's delusions, or wishes, to identify as something they factually are not should not be requisite of the vast majority of the population.

If people choose to act, behave or of course even dabble in dubious sciences these days to deny their own biological truth then it is up to them to decide what they need to do when they need a p!ss. It is not for the rest of us to have no option but to collude in this bonkers lie.

Safe spaces are designed for women due to their vulnerability,
for their right to privacy and to reduce the far higher risk of a crime being committed by a man upon a woman. The removal of such measures places females at risk and empower failures and the mentally ill who need help and not for their misfortune to be encouraged.

Gender neutral toilets and changing rooms are not an 'easy answer', that is the stupidest thing I have read on this site even within a vast, vast array of nonsense and b0110cks that can be found, some of which I feel confident asserting that I have authored myself.

At the Academic institution I formerly worked in, loads of lecturers went on strike until there were gender neutral toilets. The University then changed all the disabled toilets to disabled and gender neutral - with a dual sign. I thought that was a bit of a piss take. However, the lecturers returned to work. One I remember in particular was 'Dan the man', a rather ironic name, I'm sure you can imagine.
I used to use the toilets as they were always empty, more comfortable and cleaner. Poor students steal all of the bog roll always in all of the men's toilets - I can't comment on the women's. So did I when I was in college so I guess I can't blame them. Beer was always my priority. Some would say I haven't changed.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 22 12.58pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

how would virgin feel if all the 6 foot odd male cabin crew wore a skirt, tights and high heels. Their very own policy cannot forbid this but Iím sure the bad publicity would enable a reset to not so bloody stupid.
Schoolboys did it in protest in defence of girls not being able to wear trousers a few years back and it worked within a day.
People need to use the system to amend the system.

Edited by cryrst (29 Sep 2022 12.21pm)

I am not recommending, or defending, anything. I am as sure common sense will prevail as I am that our attitudes will gradually adapt to changed circumstances over time.

I am unsure though why a "virgin" would feel any more intimidated by a skirt, tights and high heels than a pair of tight trousers with an obvious bulge! Surprised, certainly! Intimidated?

 

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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 29 Sep 22 12.59pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Being of Scottish decent I have on occasions worn a kilt (usually for weddings and do's) and can confirm there is nothing wrong with a bit of breeze down there even on a brisk Scottish winter's day. )

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 29 Sep 22 1.03pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You might wish to classify this as a "delusion" but I can assure you that my erstwhile grandson, now a granddaughter, would strongly disagree with you. They are highly intelligent, currently studying for their masters at Southampton University, and will probably go on to get a doctorate. They achieved 4 straight "A"s at A level. They never had any interest in girls and always wore their hair long. Looking back, it all now makes some sense.

Quite frankly, when they use the female toilets, as they now do, no-one will be the slightest concerned because they will not be aware. You are not "colluding" in a lie. You are unaware that you would think one was going on.

Forcing people like them to use the male toilets would create a much greater risk than any that currently exists from them.

It's been necessary for me to re-evaluate my own attitude on this in the light of my personal experiences providing greater understanding.

My grandchild poses no threat to any woman, so perhaps we should allow the women, rather than the men, to express their opinions.

If you truly think gender-neutral toilets is the "stupidest thing I have read on this site" then I don't think you can possibly have read every thread. We already have some here, in tourist dominated locations, so I suspect this will be the way forward.

When they get their doctorate let me know and we'll talk on academics.

I don't care whether your Grandson poses a threat to women or not, I am addressing the whole notion and not one individual. Many men do not pose a threat to women, we still have separate changing rooms for staggeringly obvious reasons. It's only for those so bereft of contentedness in life to argue against that in an attempt to change the world as they do not possess the strength to change themselves.

As to their ability to disguise themselves as a woman, that has no bearing on the reality. I can dress up as a Policeman and knock on somebodies door to question them, they would not know but that does not make it a reality, i'is still a lie and if I believe or others encourage me to believe it as true than it is a delusion.

Gender neutral toilets are the stupidest thing I have read on this site and I say this despite reading many of your posts. If your Grandson wants to parade around as a woman fine. If he does not pose any threat to women I wholly accept that. However catering to his unscientific beliefs so as to accept them as fact is lunacy. Furthermore sacrificing the safety of women for his delusions is beyond the pale.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Sep 22 1.18pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

When they get their doctorate let me know and we'll talk on academics.

I don't care whether your Grandson poses a threat to women or not, I am addressing the whole notion and not one individual. Many men do not pose a threat to women, we still have separate changing rooms for staggeringly obvious reasons. It's only for those so bereft of contentedness in life to argue against that in an attempt to change the world as they do not possess the strength to change themselves.

As to their ability to disguise themselves as a woman, that has no bearing on the reality. I can dress up as a Policeman and knock on somebodies door to question them, they would not know but that does not make it a reality, i'is still a lie and if I believe or others encourage me to believe it as true than it is a delusion.

Gender neutral toilets are the stupidest thing I have read on this site and I say this despite reading many of your posts. If your Grandson wants to parade around as a woman fine. If he does not pose any threat to women I wholly accept that. However catering to his unscientific beliefs so as to accept them as fact is lunacy. Furthermore sacrificing the safety of women for his delusions is beyond the pale.

Yup the issue is not about people wanting to change their identify but forcing the rest of us to go along with it.

 


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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 29 Sep 22 1.46pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

This is also a cheap bit of advertising as well for Branson, after all the guy is a shyster & hypocrite albeit he's a great showman & entrepreneur.
This is a guy who wanted the UK government to bail out his airline a couple of years ago when Covid was in full effect to the tune of 850 M pounds yet almost miraculously managed to cough up the same amount of dough to build a 850 M Hotel on Broadway in Manhattan which is just about to open to the paying public.

 


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View martin2412's Profile martin2412 Flag The Big Wide World 29 Sep 22 1.50pm Send a Private Message to martin2412 Add martin2412 as a friend

I blame Danny La Rue.

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 29 Sep 22 2.41pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Spot the white heterosexual male.

I'm here!

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Sep 22 2.45pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by martin2412

I blame Danny La Rue.

I blame the carry on movies and Benny Hill. All those blokes dress up like women but never looking like women and then some other male character fancying them, gave those people ideas.

 


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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 29 Sep 22 3.57pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

I used to love Virgin Atlantic and flew their Upper Class service to the States a few times. In the day it was a memorable experience.

But their latest emphasis on all things woke leaves me cold. They have been going overboard telling us that it's OK to have non white, female pilots and now openly saying that their male cabin staff can wear skirts is taking things a tad too far for me.

It's bad enough to see a Scot in a skirt, but the thought of having my vodka and tonic served by a bloke in one at 35 thousand feet makes me shiver.

 


Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 29 Sep 22 4.54pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There are places in the world where a man wearing the equivalent of a skirt is completely normal. I once saw a guy in one, floating prostrate in a mountain stream and allowing the current to gently flow up and around his body. The look of bliss on his face was something I can recall very clearly. So, as you say, there is something good there.

This may all feel odd, but that's just a cultural response. We'll get used to it. Change happens and Luddites will emerge for a while, until the fuss dies away, and we all join in.

Yes but your river man was not identifying as a female. No comparison between the two

 

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