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View martin2412's Profile martin2412 Flag The Big Wide World 29 Sep 22 4.57pm Send a Private Message to martin2412 Add martin2412 as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I blame the carry on movies and Benny Hill. All those blokes dress up like women but never looking like women and then some other male character fancying them, gave those people ideas.

Yeah, I'm sure I remember Bernard Breslaw dressed as a girl with his big hairy knackers hanging out the bottom of a skirt

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 22 4.57pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

When they get their doctorate let me know and we'll talk on academics.

I don't care whether your Grandson poses a threat to women or not, I am addressing the whole notion and not one individual. Many men do not pose a threat to women, we still have separate changing rooms for staggeringly obvious reasons. It's only for those so bereft of contentedness in life to argue against that in an attempt to change the world as they do not possess the strength to change themselves.

As to their ability to disguise themselves as a woman, that has no bearing on the reality. I can dress up as a Policeman and knock on somebodies door to question them, they would not know but that does not make it a reality, i'is still a lie and if I believe or others encourage me to believe it as true than it is a delusion.

Gender neutral toilets are the stupidest thing I have read on this site and I say this despite reading many of your posts. If your Grandson wants to parade around as a woman fine. If he does not pose any threat to women I wholly accept that. However catering to his unscientific beliefs so as to accept them as fact is lunacy. Furthermore sacrificing the safety of women for his delusions is beyond the pale.

When the whole of society is made up of individuals, to seek to impose your prejudices on any one of them is pretty reprehensible. I give some thanks that many of our politicians seem to be rather more thoughtful and caring.

Many women pose a threat to other women. What do you suggest we do about that? We primarily have separate changing rooms for historical reasons. Our local swimming pool has a totally mixed area of lockers and showers, and individual, gender-neutral, small booths to change in. Families can change together, if they wish. No-one bats an eye-lid.

We are not talking about people disguising themselves to take advantage of another. That's wrong wherever it occurs. We are talking about people going through a life-changing event that you clearly neither understand, nor have any sympathy for. People who you would not now recognise as anything other than their new identity. I know the history of my grandchild, but if you met them tomorrow by chance, you would never guess it. Yet you want to force them to comply with your unsubstantiated assertions that their choice is "unscientific". I think not.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 29 Sep 22 4.58pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

Being of Scottish decent I have on occasions worn a kilt (usually for weddings and do's) and can confirm there is nothing wrong with a bit of breeze down there even on a brisk Scottish winter's day. )

Doesn’t it affect your “bragging” rights though

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Sep 22 5.05pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

Being of Scottish decent I have on occasions worn a kilt (usually for weddings and do's) and can confirm there is nothing wrong with a bit of breeze down there even on a brisk Scottish winter's day. )

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 22 5.09pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Yup the issue is not about people wanting to change their identify but forcing the rest of us to go along with it.

That's not true, though, is it?

We are not discussing flamboyant, attention seeking drag artists.

You would never know whether the kind of person we are discussing has transitioned, when they think, look, behave and dress like a woman.

What is being demanded is the precise opposite. You are expecting them to be forced to go along with your wishes and put themselves at risk by using male changing rooms and toilets.

Men who remain as men and attempt to take advantage of this (even if there is little or no evidence this actually happens) need to be treated separately.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 22 5.15pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Yes but your river man was not identifying as a female. No comparison between the two

I didn't say he did. 2 different subjects being discussed here.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 29 Sep 22 5.35pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

When the whole of society is made up of individuals, to seek to impose your prejudices on any one of them is pretty reprehensible. I give some thanks that many of our politicians seem to be rather more thoughtful and caring.

Many women pose a threat to other women. What do you suggest we do about that? We primarily have separate changing rooms for historical reasons. Our local swimming pool has a totally mixed area of lockers and showers, and individual, gender-neutral, small booths to change in. Families can change together, if they wish. No-one bats an eye-lid.

We are not talking about people disguising themselves to take advantage of another. That's wrong wherever it occurs. We are talking about people going through a life-changing event that you clearly neither understand, nor have any sympathy for. People who you would not now recognise as anything other than their new identity. I know the history of my grandchild, but if you met them tomorrow by chance, you would never guess it. Yet you want to force them to comply with your unsubstantiated assertions that their choice is "unscientific". I think not.

It is unscientific, in fact it is 'anti-science'. You show me the evidence an individual can magically change their gender and I will concede. Gender is attributed through genetics and biological make up, not subjective opinion.

You also show me any evidence that women, within the confines of a dressing room or toilet, are more or even equally, or even anything close to be the victim of, or more vulnerable to, other woman as they are to a man and again I will rethink my position. I'd also like to see any evidence that a significant let alone majority of females agree to this. I think Primark are the latest to come under fire for caving into illogical and ideological nonsense.

It is not unsubstantiated, it is a fact that humans, as biological creatures, are what they are. There is nothing to dispute this. I'm not saying your grandchild may be deluded in their belief that they are something else other than what they are but it is a biological fact, once again. You are only harming a delusional person by indulging this fantasy. If their choice is to live, dress and act as a different gender that is their prerogative and freedom however it is not scientific by even the remotest stretch of any imagination and should not be treated as such.

For all your ideological nonsense, to which you are just as entitled as others are to disagree, do not get involved in debates which rely upon more than your subjective opinions, you literally have nothing in this one. I can only hope the best for your grandchild however if they are surrounded by those so completely lost in their thinking as you have demonstrated, I do at the very least pity them.

This has nothing to do with prejudices so stop pathetically resorting to your childish and yet again intellectually bereft snipes which are nothing less than an attempt to deflect debate.

Edited by Nicholas91 (29 Sep 2022 6.15pm)

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Sep 22 6.05pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's not true, though, is it?

We are not discussing flamboyant, attention seeking drag artists.

You would never know whether the kind of person we are discussing has transitioned, when they think, look, behave and dress like a woman.

What is being demanded is the precise opposite. You are expecting them to be forced to go along with your wishes and put themselves at risk by using male changing rooms and toilets.

Men who remain as men and attempt to take advantage of this (even if there is little or no evidence this actually happens) need to be treated separately.

Err yes it is. Gender Neutral toilets and dressing rooms being forced on the public the vast majority of whom dont want them just to pander to a minority. Companies insisting on all this pronoun rubbish etc etc.

None of this applies to the vast majority of people yet we are called Transphpobic if we object. We are being made to fit into their behaviour requirements.

 


One more point

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 29 Sep 22 6.55pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Go woke , go broke.

Plenty of choices for everything Virgin sell.

when they start that political shyte....you can hear all the dollars just fly out the door.

 


7 points from Manchester last season

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View kingdowieonthewall's Profile kingdowieonthewall Flag Sussex, ex-Cronx. 29 Sep 22 7.05pm Send a Private Message to kingdowieonthewall Add kingdowieonthewall as a friend

Originally posted by martin2412

Yeah, I'm sure I remember Bernard Breslaw dressed as a girl with his big hairy knackers hanging out the bottom of a skirt

thats a very challenging w***.
could take a fair while

 


Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Sep 22 7.17pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

I have a vision of cabin crew member born a male but identifying themselves as a female wearing a skirt and high-heels with a name tag of "Virginia", followed by "They call me Virgin for short but not for long" !

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 29 Sep 22 7.31pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's not true, though, is it?

We are not discussing flamboyant, attention seeking drag artists.

You would never know whether the kind of person we are discussing has transitioned, when they think, look, behave and dress like a woman.

What is being demanded is the precise opposite. You are expecting them to be forced to go along with your wishes and put themselves at risk by using male changing rooms and toilets.

Men who remain as men and attempt to take advantage of this (even if there is little or no evidence this actually happens) need to be treated separately.

Complete the transition and there wouldn't be a problem. Prior to that it's still a man however he "feels" - get changed next to someone's daughter and get knocked out. That's how lots of blokes "identify".

 

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