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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 30 Sep 22 11.20am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

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There you go, above. Somebody who has actually gone to far greater lengths than I have to provide context and absolute conclusion on the matter. No it is not a right wing or otherwise source, I disregard such things as I usually do with your rantings, it seems quite legitimate.

Note in the comment section others who have been challenged by failures too and used this as quite a nice and polite explanation.

Off to the naughty step with you to sit with JK Rowling and Sharron Davies MBE

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 30 Sep 22 11.33am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Off to the naughty step with you to sit with JK Rowling and Sharron Davies MBE

Never left it HKO

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Sep 22 11.49am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Try telling that to schoolgirls who have to use gender neutral toilets at school.

Anyway it's not just about toilets and changing rooms like I said the majority are being told to accommodate a minority and if they object are accused of being prejudiced.

Changing attitudes always takes time. It will happen.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Sep 22 11.57am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

No, it does not. It's as simple as that. There's little point arguing with you as you cannot even articulate as to why, hence the employment of any internet source you can dig up that you probably don't understanding yourself but oh so want to validate your opinion. But you keep believing what you want to believe. Perhaps a c0ck is not a c0ck after all and it's just coincidence and nothing to do with biology.

BTW, type in something akin to 'why transgenderism is not scientific' and you'll find just as many articles supporting that side of the fence. Difference between you and I however is that I can articulate as to why it's a delusion. You however cannot. You will just echo and parrot whatever ideological bent you have chosen to subscribe to in lieu of an ability to think for yourself. I have already challenged that article in both it's mission and narrative, you are just blindly adhering to it to suit your own will.

Just because we can now chop off and add things on, play with hormones etc these days, does not make delusions or psychiatric illnesses truth. Call it 'playing God/nature or whatever you want' but it is not truth just because you wish it to be so, most likely because you have otherwise failed to socially adjust to the world as it is.

Then using this untruth to as justification to place women at risk so as to validate your delusion to yourself is not acceptable. Feigning victim status with your tear streamed cries of 'prejudice' and 'hate' is the most pathetic and rightfully ridiculed stance one could take.

At no point in scientific, mammalian or human biology has gender ever been questioned until the left were allowed to congregate and scream nonsense hysterically. Just because you are screaming loudly does not make anything factually correct with pseudo and perversions of science being so crudely parodied to fit your agenda.


I agree with you on that!

That article describes you almost perfectly. When I read it, I recognised your attitude really clearly, and all the excuses you offer above only provide further evidence of that.

The article presents solid scientific facts. You present nothing but prejudice, trying to introduce spurious motivations such as the "left" being behind it. It would be amusing if it did not impact people so hurtfully.

Hopefully, whilst there seems little chance of you changing your position in the face of facts, others might.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 30 Sep 22 12.50pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I agree with you on that!

That article describes you almost perfectly. When I read it, I recognised your attitude really clearly, and all the excuses you offer above only provide further evidence of that.

The article presents solid scientific facts. You present nothing but prejudice, trying to introduce spurious motivations such as the "left" being behind it. It would be amusing if it did not impact people so hurtfully.

Hopefully, whilst there seems little chance of you changing your position in the face of facts, others might.

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Watch the video WE, it is solid scientific fact that sex and gender are binary.

You are doing what you do best, that is presenting yourself in the most arrogant possible way as if to say 'if only the whole world were like me, so openminded and virtuous however it is not, and therefore those that disagree with me are prejudiced, bigoted etc etc.'

Sex is binary, no matter how you try and distort, misapply and create confusion through ambiguity. That is fact. The subjective feelings of those and opinions of those who choose to support them with the aforementioned attitude is a direct attack upon science. You are one of the very same breed of people who will go missing when societal changes to accommodate your nonsense, which again I'd attribute to your own failings in life, come at great cost to the many. Opening up gender neutral spaces which were previously segregated for the safety of women to accommodate ideologues who attack science is ludicrous. If a trans person chooses that lifestyle I believe that is their prerogative to do so, however as with every choice they have to live with the consequences.

You have repeatedly hysterically proclaimed 'Trans people aren't to blame if x' and 'my Grandson does not pose a threat to anybody'. However when women, who occupy a far larger proportion of society, are victims of your ridiculous suggested changes you will soon go quiet and say 'no, it's x guys fault'. Refusing to acknowledge you have removed well and justified safety measures or precautions purely to suit your own agenda, based on a direct opposition to scientific fact.

'You cannot magically change your gender' is what I said, you have done nothing to disprove that and only posted an article you have obviously googled which in no way proves that and only goes to create doubt in the simple minded, it does not prove anything.

Don't talk 5hit, don't talk 5hit.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Sep 22 2.05pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

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Watch the video WE, it is solid scientific fact that sex and gender are binary.

You are doing what you do best, that is presenting yourself in the most arrogant possible way as if to say 'if only the whole world were like me, so openminded and virtuous however it is not, and therefore those that disagree with me are prejudiced, bigoted etc etc.'

Sex is binary, no matter how you try and distort, misapply and create confusion through ambiguity. That is fact. The subjective feelings of those and opinions of those who choose to support them with the aforementioned attitude is a direct attack upon science. You are one of the very same breed of people who will go missing when societal changes to accommodate your nonsense, which again I'd attribute to your own failings in life, come at great cost to the many. Opening up gender neutral spaces which were previously segregated for the safety of women to accommodate ideologues who attack science is ludicrous. If a trans person chooses that lifestyle I believe that is their prerogative to do so, however as with every choice they have to live with the consequences.

You have repeatedly hysterically proclaimed 'Trans people aren't to blame if x' and 'my Grandson does not pose a threat to anybody'. However when women, who occupy a far larger proportion of society, are victims of your ridiculous suggested changes you will soon go quiet and say 'no, it's x guys fault'. Refusing to acknowledge you have removed well and justified safety measures or precautions purely to suit your own agenda, based on a direct opposition to scientific fact.

'You cannot magically change your gender' is what I said, you have done nothing to disprove that and only posted an article you have obviously googled which in no way proves that and only goes to create doubt in the simple minded, it does not prove anything.

Don't talk 5hit, don't talk 5hit.

Are you serious? You suggest a conservative organisation's YouTube video featuring Ben Shapiro is scientific?

It's nothing of the sort. It's political.

By way of contrast, the article I referenced is from "Scientific American", which is a serious scientific, monthly magazine which is both trusted and long-established. Many well known scientists have contributed to it, including Einstein.

There is nothing arrogant in telling the truth and presenting facts. You are not just attempting to compare chalk with cheese. You are confusing truth with fiction and further confirming exactly what the article says is happening. I am not telling you anything at all. I am providing access to scientific information which can help non-experts like us understand things better.

Unlike you, it seems, I accept I am not an expert, but am willing to listen to those who are. Ben Shapiro is not an expert on this subject. I doubt he is on anything, other than self-publicity.

In continuing in this way, all you are doing is to dig your hole ever deeper and destroy any last remnants of credibility you have left. You are making my case for me, so carry on.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 30 Sep 22 2.49pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Are you serious? You suggest a conservative organisation's YouTube video featuring Ben Shapiro is scientific?

It's nothing of the sort. It's political.

By way of contrast, the article I referenced is from "Scientific American", which is a serious scientific, monthly magazine which is both trusted and long-established. Many well known scientists have contributed to it, including Einstein.

There is nothing arrogant in telling the truth and presenting facts. You are not just attempting to compare chalk with cheese. You are confusing truth with fiction and further confirming exactly what the article says is happening. I am not telling you anything at all. I am providing access to scientific information which can help non-experts like us understand things better.

Unlike you, it seems, I accept I am not an expert, but am willing to listen to those who are. Ben Shapiro is not an expert on this subject. I doubt he is on anything, other than self-publicity.

In continuing in this way, all you are doing is to dig your hole ever deeper and destroy any last remnants of credibility you have left. You are making my case for me, so carry on.

I didn't even read past your first two sentences.

I am guessing that's my luddite nature being my downfall. As soon as you mentioned Ben Shaprio, whom I am aware of, I started thinking 'what's he got to do with...' and again I guess that's YouTube jumping videos from the one I frst looked up, very quickly.

Hopefully this link works - [Link]

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Sep 22 7.35pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I didn't even read past your first two sentences.

I am guessing that's my luddite nature being my downfall. As soon as you mentioned Ben Shaprio, whom I am aware of, I started thinking 'what's he got to do with...' and again I guess that's YouTube jumping videos from the one I frst looked up, very quickly.

Hopefully this link works - [Link]

It's certainly better than your first offering. Whenever I am offered a video of this type, my first action is to know who made it and why. Zach Elliot, is the answer, presenting as "The Paradox Institute". It's not an institute at all. It's him.

So who is he? He isn't a scientist. He appears to be on a mission to criticise the work of "Scientific America" in this area.

It's this kind of thing which is fuelling the lack of trust in science, not only in this area, but more broadly across many others. Give a good presenter on a mission a camera, and before long he is on YouTube with thousands having their prejudices supported. You see it all the time. One regular poster here is always posting these things.

There's always another video to disprove, or prove what you want to believe. Ultimately, you need to decide who you trust.

So do you trust a non-scientist on a mission, or a long-established, well regarded science magazine? Up to you, but I know where my trust is likely to go.

Here's another video. This one debunks the claims that Mr Elliot makes. No need for me to do it. He is much ruder than me, by the way:-

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As to the rest. Read my last reply, after the first 2 lines.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 30 Sep 22 8.46pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's certainly better than your first offering. Whenever I am offered a video of this type, my first action is to know who made it and why. Zach Elliot, is the answer, presenting as "The Paradox Institute". It's not an institute at all. It's him.

So who is he? He isn't a scientist. He appears to be on a mission to criticise the work of "Scientific America" in this area.

It's this kind of thing which is fuelling the lack of trust in science, not only in this area, but more broadly across many others. Give a good presenter on a mission a camera, and before long he is on YouTube with thousands having their prejudices supported. You see it all the time. One regular poster here is always posting these things.

There's always another video to disprove, or prove what you want to believe. Ultimately, you need to decide who you trust.

So do you trust a non-scientist on a mission, or a long-established, well regarded science magazine? Up to you, but I know where my trust is likely to go.

Here's another video. This one debunks the claims that Mr Elliot makes. No need for me to do it. He is much ruder than me, by the way:-

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As to the rest. Read my last reply, after the first 2 lines.

I did read your last post, and the ‘article’ in scientific American, I’ve already posted my thoughts on this, it appears you aren’t reading mine.

You still have not presented anything that proves a woman can be born with every physical attribute of a man, nor that there is any spectrum for gender. When isolated parameters are identified then compared across a spectrum to try and disprove certain arguments, try and not conclusively do so, they suit a narrative as opposed to presenting objective statements of fact. The article you referenced does exactly this, it is attempting, again poorly, just to negate one argument, it does not conclusively prove the proposal men are actually women or vice versa. Furthermore it does not provide a proportionality of its suggested phenomena in contrast to the rest of society.

I am not going to research this to any great extent, 90% of the time roughly I’m just tapping at my phone, at junctures in my busy day when I can as my life is quite busy otherwise (hence an incorrect link being posted) but I can quite quickly find evidence of this article and scientific American not being completely immune from political and ideological influence. Regardless however, the article proves only it’s own intentions, nothing else.

I still do not accept that a) Woman are sometimes actually men and the other way round, b) biological indicators are somehow misallocated or null and c) just because we have the means to alter not all but some characteristics of males or females this proves any theory that ‘nature’ is wrong.

Once again, anybody seemingly willing to push an unprovable, ideologically driven theorem and to the detriment of female safety so clumsily and ludicrously as you have warrants removal from society. From what I have gathered on recent posts you have promoted the parading of children nude in front of others and the removal of safety precautions for women so as to accommodate those who wish to deny, obfuscate and alter the reality of science to suit their own subjective opinions. It’s one of the downsides of the internet that you are free to do so from whichever safe space you are hiding in.

Your ideological adherence, moulded I’m sure by your wishes to escape your own shortcomings and reality, is something we have witnessed over the course of most recent history and frequently to the severe detriment of others. The support of so called ‘science’ and scientific publications that serve to suit a predetermined conclusion have oft played their part too. The nazis churned out some great scientists, I believe nasa nicked some of them, but again many sought to manipulate narratives and create a smokescreen of doubt to support illogical and dangerous political means. Your rush to find any article remotely suiting your agenda is proof of this, I did similarly (and even more clumsily through YouTube) just to demonstrate this intellectually peasant approach. Your cries of prejudice et al once again are nothing more than a political manoeuvre to try and stifle any logical or factual conversation taking place.

If your grandson wants to live as a woman fine but this does not make it so however I would worry how this will affect his psychological well-being in the long run but that’s not my business in this context. What it is false to say however is that there is no harm in opening up women’s safe spaces to anyone who shares or potentially feigns a sharing of his mindset.


 


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Originally posted by Nicholas91

I did read your last post, and the ‘article’ in scientific American, I’ve already posted my thoughts on this, it appears you aren’t reading mine.

You still have not presented anything that proves a woman can be born with every physical attribute of a man, nor that there is any spectrum for gender. When isolated parameters are identified then compared across a spectrum to try and disprove certain arguments, try and not conclusively do so, they suit a narrative as opposed to presenting objective statements of fact. The article you referenced does exactly this, it is attempting, again poorly, just to negate one argument, it does not conclusively prove the proposal men are actually women or vice versa. Furthermore it does not provide a proportionality of its suggested phenomena in contrast to the rest of society.

I am not going to research this to any great extent, 90% of the time roughly I’m just tapping at my phone, at junctures in my busy day when I can as my life is quite busy otherwise (hence an incorrect link being posted) but I can quite quickly find evidence of this article and scientific American not being completely immune from political and ideological influence. Regardless however, the article proves only it’s own intentions, nothing else.

I still do not accept that a) Woman are sometimes actually men and the other way round, b) biological indicators are somehow misallocated or null and c) just because we have the means to alter not all but some characteristics of males or females this proves any theory that ‘nature’ is wrong.

Once again, anybody seemingly willing to push an unprovable, ideologically driven theorem and to the detriment of female safety so clumsily and ludicrously as you have warrants removal from society. From what I have gathered on recent posts you have promoted the parading of children nude in front of others and the removal of safety precautions for women so as to accommodate those who wish to deny, obfuscate and alter the reality of science to suit their own subjective opinions. It’s one of the downsides of the internet that you are free to do so from whichever safe space you are hiding in.

Your ideological adherence, moulded I’m sure by your wishes to escape your own shortcomings and reality, is something we have witnessed over the course of most recent history and frequently to the severe detriment of others. The support of so called ‘science’ and scientific publications that serve to suit a predetermined conclusion have oft played their part too. The nazis churned out some great scientists, I believe nasa nicked some of them, but again many sought to manipulate narratives and create a smokescreen of doubt to support illogical and dangerous political means. Your rush to find any article remotely suiting your agenda is proof of this, I did similarly (and even more clumsily through YouTube) just to demonstrate this intellectually peasant approach. Your cries of prejudice et al once again are nothing more than a political manoeuvre to try and stifle any logical or factual conversation taking place.

If your grandson wants to live as a woman fine but this does not make it so however I would worry how this will affect his psychological well-being in the long run but that’s not my business in this context. What it is false to say however is that there is no harm in opening up women’s safe spaces to anyone who shares or potentially feigns a sharing of his mindset.


When all you do is repeat discredited, non-scientific ideology, there is little point in trying to reason with you. Yours is a fixed, commonly held position which is at odds with that of the medical industry, whose position is based on the science.

It will take a long, long time before these erroneous perceptions change, but change they will. They have done so already in some countries. In matters like this, the internet is the enemy of truth and is being exploited by those who wish us harm. They seed doubt in the minds of people like you by spreading misinformation and encouraging people like Zach Elliot.

You carry on. I am not going to change your mind. I used to have a completely different opinion, but was forced to research and re-evaluate by my own family. Maybe if that happens in yours, you will too.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

When all you do is repeat discredited, non-scientific ideology, there is little point in trying to reason with you. Yours is a fixed, commonly held position which is at odds with that of the medical industry, whose position is based on the science.

It will take a long, long time before these erroneous perceptions change, but change they will. They have done so already in some countries. In matters like this, the internet is the enemy of truth and is being exploited by those who wish us harm. They seed doubt in the minds of people like you by spreading misinformation and encouraging people like Zach Elliot.

You carry on. I am not going to change your mind. I used to have a completely different opinion, but was forced to research and re-evaluate by my own family. Maybe if that happens in yours, you will too.

Alternatively the answer as to why two of your g sons want to be g daughters could be closer to home, have you considered that ?

 

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Remember the pervert in a dress who calls himself a woman and was sent to a woman's prison.

Well guess what happened next:

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But don't blame the authorities it's not like they could have foreseen it. I mean sending a male sex offender to a woman's prison what could possibly go wrong.

He should be sent to a male prison, I am sure some of the inmates would be happy to help her complete her transition, rusty razor blade anyone?

 


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