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View Skip's Profile Skip Flag bexley 24 Oct 22 3.16pm Send a Private Message to Skip Add Skip as a friend

We need to stick with him and trust that he will steer us through this sticky patch of 2 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss. I get that we are not playing well though hence the panic that normally follows a poor run of performances and results.

I think we will see a slight change in formation. We can't expect to play any premier league team and go with 1 defensive midfielder and 5 forwards, shoe horning two of them into midfield positions where sometimes you have to compete physically.

I do think that our style of play under PV has been impacted with the use of 5 subs. It allows teams to press us without the fear of eventually tiring. As soon as the 4/5 opposing players that are pressing our back four and keeper look knackered they are replaced for fresh legs to continue. We're not quite as good at it as other sides so that constant pressure will eventually cause a mistake. Saturday was a prime example of Mitchell needing to get rid of the ball, not giving the best pass to Luka, who should have been far stronger rather than just go down hoping for a free kick he was never going to get. Calvert-Lewin then finished off what he started.

Edited by Skip (24 Oct 2022 3.16pm)

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 24 Oct 22 4.02pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Willo


Our 'Net Spend' seasons 2021-22 and 2022-23 has been in the region of 100 Mill and we don't have a bottomless pit.Vieira has been supported by the board.

Edited by Willo (24 Oct 2022 9.49am)

Wow

Our net spend needed to be that to even get close to putting out a first team.

So lets not pretend that PV has had all the money in the world. Yeah 100m sounds a lot, but on expenditure, we are 18/20th this season, and were 9/20th last season. Averaging 14th. Which is below where we are currently in the league, and where we finished last season.

Move that back 2 more seasons, so from season 19/20, we're the 18th highest spenders. The further you go the more we slip down. Below teams that haven't even been the prem for all of that period.

The data is clear in the fact that the squad has been comparatively negated. And we've punched above our weight for years.


 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 24 Oct 22 4.07pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

If we continue to play the total rubbish that we have player over the last few games over the next 3 before the WC break do we change manager,
it's a yes from me

Absolutely ludicrous thread.

The club is moving in the right direction on and of the field. We are still punching above our weight. Playing bad for a couple of games here and there is what all teams (bar City) do.

We lost to a team that has had over double the investment that we have had over the last 5 years.

Get some perspective

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 24 Oct 22 4.09pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

Wow

Our net spend needed to be that to even get close to putting out a first team.

So lets not pretend that PV has had all the money in the world. Yeah 100m sounds a lot, but on expenditure, we are 18/20th this season, and were 9/20th last season. Averaging 14th. Which is below where we are currently in the league, and where we finished last season.

Move that back 2 more seasons, so from season 19/20, we're the 18th highest spenders. The further you go the more we slip down. Below teams that haven't even been the prem for all of that period.

The data is clear in the fact that the squad has been comparatively negated. And we've punched above our weight for years.

Exactly. Last season wasn't adding to an existing solid base of players, it was an overhaul after several years of minimal spending.

 

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View est1905's Profile est1905 Flag 24 Oct 22 4.28pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Our 'Net Spend' seasons 2021-22 and 2022-23 has been in the region of 100 Mill and we don't have a bottomless pit.Vieira has been supported by the board.

Edited by Willo (24 Oct 2022 9.49am)

Agree with this completely. Even City (who have endless resources) tend to spend not much more than 100m a season. Palace have given Vieira all they can afford to give without risking the club's future.

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 24 Oct 22 4.37pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

Absolutely ludicrous thread.

The club is moving in the right direction on and of the field. We are still punching above our weight. Playing bad for a couple of games here and there is what all teams (bar City) do.

We lost to a team that has had over double the investment that we have had over the last 5 years.

Get some perspective


Agreed!
I might not be happy with the midfield but I have no wish to see PV go at all.
Be careful what you wish for!

 

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View samprior's Profile samprior Flag Hamburg 24 Oct 22 4.44pm Send a Private Message to samprior Add samprior as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

Wow

Our net spend needed to be that to even get close to putting out a first team.

So lets not pretend that PV has had all the money in the world. Yeah 100m sounds a lot, but on expenditure, we are 18/20th this season, and were 9/20th last season. Averaging 14th. Which is below where we are currently in the league, and where we finished last season.

Move that back 2 more seasons, so from season 19/20, we're the 18th highest spenders. The further you go the more we slip down. Below teams that haven't even been the prem for all of that period.

The data is clear in the fact that the squad has been comparatively negated. And we've punched above our weight for years.


Very well said.

 

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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 24 Oct 22 5.10pm Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild


Maybe he is a good leader behind the scenes, but on the pitch he seems so error prone. Can anyone remember the last time he had a good game? If he doesn't make a mistake that seems to constitute "good" for Luka these days. I'm no longer convinced he is even an adequate back-up. Maybe time to give someone like young David Ozoh a chance from the bench. Really young, but surely he can't be as slow on the ball and seems highly rated.

Agree - i notice we had young phillips on the bench, would he not have been worth a try and give him basic instructions to not go too far forward and keep it simple etc. Couldn't have been worse than the team/formation he did put out.

Maybe Hughes wasn't fully recovered from the virus (although well enough to be on the bench) but playing effectively only Luka in defensive midfield was bizarre. I assumed he would play Schlupp and just tell him to not go forward as much.

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 24 Oct 22 5.48pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

it makes all the difference in the world, he is a player that needs a free role, if PV doesn't want to do that sell him, and get some Gallagher clones instead, he is ruining him and Olise at the moment

Its all well and good saying he needs a free role, but he doesnt produce enough to warrant it. Top teams dont have luxury players in a free role.
Eze and Olise have been given a run of games, they need to up their games and not disappear in games.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 24 Oct 22 6.08pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Its all well and good saying he needs a free role, but he doesnt produce enough to warrant it. Top teams dont have luxury players in a free role.
Eze and Olise have been given a run of games, they need to up their games and not disappear in games.

This free role malarkey is absolute nonsense. What does it really mean anyway? If anything Eze, if he has the temperament and work rate, should be the hub, that is, he receives the ball and has the vision to find the runners around him. Pirlo was excellent at this, and Trevor Brooking and Ray Wilkins spring to mind as tidy players with good vision and neat control who perform that type of role. Eze's not a winger or forward, he should be in the thick of the action, but I wonder if he has it in him?

 

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View Plaistow Eagle's Profile Plaistow Eagle Flag 24 Oct 22 8.11pm Send a Private Message to Plaistow Eagle Add Plaistow Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

If we continue to play the total rubbish that we have player over the last few games over the next 3 before the WC break do we change manager,
it's a yes from me

Are you serious - if so Id lay off the vino and stay out of the sun if I were you..!!

Come on PV..!!

COYP

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 24 Oct 22 8.33pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Its all well and good saying he needs a free role, but he doesnt produce enough to warrant it. Top teams dont have luxury players in a free role.
Eze and Olise have been given a run of games, they need to up their games and not disappear in games.

Thats the point he hasn't had the chance to prove it, shackled too much.

 



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