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Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle

Are you serious - if so Iíd lay off the vino and stay out of the sun if I were you..!!

Come on PV..!!

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Originally posted by Willo

Our 'Net Spend' seasons 2021-22 and 2022-23 has been in the region of £100 Mill and we don't have a bottomless pit.Vieira has been supported by the board.

Edited by Willo (24 Oct 2022 9.49am)

I find it odd that people think that quoting our Spend since Viera come in means has been 'suppoted by the board'
Who, over The last 2 (summer) winidows do you regard as a Viera signing?
probably only Doucoure.
Viera was only brought in in July 2021, so barely any of those signings could be justified as Vieira signings. More that they were a whole host of DF's wishlist to refresh the team. That's n; the likes of Guehi, Anderson, Edouard, Olise, Hughes.

This last summers signings were Doucoure, Sam Johnstone and Chris Richards, and Ebiowei.
All bar Doucoure scream DF buys to me.
So if that's true, how has Vieira been backed?

 


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Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I find it odd that people think that quoting our Spend since Viera come in means has been 'suppoted by the board'
Who, over The last 2 (summer) winidows do you regard as a Viera signing?
probably only Doucoure.
Viera was only brought in in July 2021, so barely any of those signings could be justified as Vieira signings. More that they were a whole host of DF's wishlist to refresh the team. That's n; the likes of Guehi, Anderson, Edouard, Olise, Hughes.

This last summers signings were Doucoure, Sam Johnstone and Chris Richards, and Ebiowei.
All bar Doucoure scream DF buys to me.
So if that's true, how has Vieira been backed?

That's a massive "if" you're basing all of that on. None of us knows who picked these players out, but I think if PV was deeply unhappy with any of them or the manner in which they were signed, then he'd have implied something in his post-match interviews or comments.

Bottom line is that to have the depth of squad we all know Palace or any team in the prem needs to be truly competitive for the upper half of the league or domestic and European cups, requires a bored billionaire with the GDP of a small country.

Absolutely bonkers amount of money needed at the moment and doesn't really show signs of slowing down.

 


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Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I find it odd that people think that quoting our Spend since Viera come in means has been 'suppoted by the board'
Who, over The last 2 (summer) winidows do you regard as a Viera signing?
probably only Doucoure.
Viera was only brought in in July 2021, so barely any of those signings could be justified as Vieira signings. More that they were a whole host of DF's wishlist to refresh the team. That's n; the likes of Guehi, Anderson, Edouard, Olise, Hughes.

This last summers signings were Doucoure, Sam Johnstone and Chris Richards, and Ebiowei.
All bar Doucoure scream DF buys to me.
So if that's true, how has Vieira been backed?

That's pretty much how I see it.

The squad development is still very much work in progress. In a perfect world we would have signed another midfield player but it wasn't to be. But everyone can see that addressing that is a priority.

 


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Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I find it odd that people think that quoting our Spend since Viera come in means has been 'suppoted by the board'
Who, over The last 2 (summer) winidows do you regard as a Viera signing?
probably only Doucoure.
Viera was only brought in in July 2021, so barely any of those signings could be justified as Vieira signings. More that they were a whole host of DF's wishlist to refresh the team. That's n; the likes of Guehi, Anderson, Edouard, Olise, Hughes.

This last summers signings were Doucoure, Sam Johnstone and Chris Richards, and Ebiowei.
All bar Doucoure scream DF buys to me.
So if that's true, how has Vieira been backed?

Vieiraís job is to manage and coach the team, purchasing players isnít in his remit, we have a D of F , who does that. It could be argued that he convinced the club, that Gallagher would sign and delayed any other possible signings, until it was obvious Gallagher wasnít interested, then it was too late to get anyone else in.

It could also be argued, that Vieira was backed in giving him the job in the first place, 2 failed previous managership roles wasnít the best CV.

 

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Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I find it odd that people think that quoting our Spend since Viera come in means has been 'suppoted by the board'
Who, over The last 2 (summer) winidows do you regard as a Viera signing?
probably only Doucoure.
Viera was only brought in in July 2021, so barely any of those signings could be justified as Vieira signings. More that they were a whole host of DF's wishlist to refresh the team. That's n; the likes of Guehi, Anderson, Edouard, Olise, Hughes.

This last summers signings were Doucoure, Sam Johnstone and Chris Richards, and Ebiowei.
All bar Doucoure scream DF buys to me.
So if that's true, how has Vieira been backed?


Firstly, as has been mentioned the managerial role now is more focused on managing the team and a D of F is in charge of transfers. Clearly the two need to work closely.

In his 1st season i think PV was definitely behind the Andersen purchase and i also think he had a big say in Edouard and Hughes so i don't agree that he hasn't been backed.

This season we have bought Doucoure, the others have barely played.

Clearly PV would have wanted 1 or 2 more signings but that's life - Conte is in exactly the same position at Spurs

 

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Originally posted by Painter

Vieiraís job is to manage and coach the team, purchasing players isnít in his remit, we have a D of F , who does that. It could be argued that he convinced the club, that Gallagher would sign and delayed any other possible signings, until it was obvious Gallagher wasnít interested, then it was too late to get anyone else in.

It could also be argued, that Vieira was backed in giving him the job in the first place, 2 failed previous managership roles wasnít the best CV.

The Manager and DoF needs to be a symbiotic relationship.. the DoF needs to keep an eye on the overall Squad, and generally with youth seems to be our policy. Whereas the Manager needs to tell him/Scouts what he needs in it.

The point I was making was that Vieira was brought in to manage a squad put together by the DoF. that's all fine, And a good starting Place. But to 'back' The manager you need that other way - he would have asked for some players to be brought in and I don't see huge amounts of evidence that that happened. Granted thats speculation as we don't know what he asked for, but I bet it was for more than a new DM.

 


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Originally posted by CrazyBadger

The Manager and DoF needs to be a symbiotic relationship.. the DoF needs to keep an eye on the overall Squad, and generally with youth seems to be our policy. Whereas the Manager needs to tell him/Scouts what he needs in it.

The point I was making was that Vieira was brought in to manage a squad put together by the DoF. that's all fine, And a good starting Place. But to 'back' The manager you need that other way - he would have asked for some players to be brought in and I don't see huge amounts of evidence that that happened. Granted thats speculation as we don't know what he asked for, but I bet it was for more than a new DM.

The big issue is PV is untried, the one real job, Nice, he failed badly, if we don't take at least 4 points from the next three the Alarm bells might start to ring in someone other than me

 



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Originally posted by CrazyBadger


The point I was making was that Vieira was brought in to manage a squad put together by the DoF. that's all fine, And a good starting Place. But to 'back' The manager you need that other way - he would have asked for some players to be brought in and I don't see huge amounts of evidence that that happened. Granted thats speculation as we don't know what he asked for, but I bet it was for more than a new DM.


1. Vieira came in knowing who DF had already brought in and I suspect would have been aware of who we were still hoping to bring in. He was presumably happy enough with the new arrivals to take the job.
2. He made it clear towards the end of the last window that we were 2 or 3 players short, and the club were trying to bring in more players. We weren't able to do so. Vieira publicly stated he was happy to work with what he had.
3. I believe that a deal of some kind for Gallagher was (virtually) agreed and he was coming but it fell down at the last minute leaving the club with insufficient time to bring in an alternative.
4. Last summer, prices became ludicrous as the window went on and we simply couldn't or wouldn't pay silly money for unproven players (unsurprising given our record of administrations over recent decades).
5. I have no doubt that DF et al. are fully aware of what we need and will seek to address that need in January if possible. If they can't, we'll just have to try and keep afloat until the summer window.
6. IN the meantime, let's get behind PV and the team and not let ourselves be swayed by the poor showing at Everton. We've still managed 7 points in the last 4 games despite inconsistent performances.

Edited by doombear (25 Oct 2022 11.13am)

 

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Originally posted by doombear


1. Vieira came in knowing who DF had already brought in and I suspect would have been aware of who we were still hoping to bring in. He was presumably happy enough with the new arrivals to take the job.
2. He made it clear towards the end of the last window that we were 2 or 3 players short, and the club were trying to bring in more players. We weren't able to do so. Vieira publicly stated he was happy to work with what he had.
3. I believe that a deal of some kind for Gallagher was (virtually) agreed and he was coming but it fell down at the last minute leaving the club with insufficient time to bring in an alternative.
4. Last summer, prices became ludicrous as the window went on and we simply couldn't or wouldn't pay silly money for unproven players (unsurprising given our record of administrations over recent decades).
5. I have no doubt that DF et al. are fully aware of what we need and will seek to address that need in January if possible. If they can't, we'll just have to try and keep afloat until the summer window.
6. IN the meantime, let's get behind PV and the team and not let ourselves be swayed by the poor showing at Everton. We've still managed 7 points in the last 4 games despite inconsistent performances.

Edited by doombear (25 Oct 2022 11.13am)

My preference would be for a player that is experienced at Premier League level rather than an unproven player from the Championship. Easier said than done. And the January window isn't the best to buy in, I wouldn't be surprised to see nothing done then and hope that Macca returns and can get through the rest of the season.

As others have said, it's ludicrous to be calling for PV's head, but one poor performance is enough to spook some people.

 


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Originally posted by doombear


1. Vieira came in knowing who DF had already brought in and I suspect would have been aware of who we were still hoping to bring in. He was presumably happy enough with the new arrivals to take the job.
2. He made it clear towards the end of the last window that we were 2 or 3 players short, and the club were trying to bring in more players. We weren't able to do so. Vieira publicly stated he was happy to work with what he had.
3. I believe that a deal of some kind for Gallagher was (virtually) agreed and he was coming but it fell down at the last minute leaving the club with insufficient time to bring in an alternative.
4. Last summer, prices became ludicrous as the window went on and we simply couldn't or wouldn't pay silly money for unproven players (unsurprising given our record of administrations over recent decades).
5. I have no doubt that DF et al. are fully aware of what we need and will seek to address that need in January if possible. If they can't, we'll just have to try and keep afloat until the summer window.
6. IN the meantime, let's get behind PV and the team and not let ourselves be swayed by the poor showing at Everton. We've still managed 7 points in the last 4 games despite inconsistent performances.

Edited by doombear (25 Oct 2022 11.13am)

I'm in mind of a recent post (can't recall who the post was by), the gist of which was just when we start to look decent and could make the next step in our evolution to becoming a solid upper / mid tier club then the necessary investment to make it so isn't forthcoming. And yes, it seems to me that this is an accurate summary of where we are - just clinging on, making do. Schlupp, Hughes, Luka, Jairo really aren't good enough for us to cling on - the essential engine room of the team neglected. Once again, I'll stress that the Everton result was no freak result, you can't go into games with just one midfielder. Hopefully the window will see some change.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (25 Oct 2022 12.09pm)

 

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I think that PV is happy with his Midfield, he only wants one DM and has said that is Doucoure, i think all we will purchase or loan in the next window is AWB, unless Wilf goes, i think we are crying out for a Jedinak/Dikgacoi

 



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