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PalazioVecchio south pole 01 Mar 23 5.50pm
i would argue that everybody in NI has all the advantages of living in both the UK and ROI. both passports, both Worlds open to you. EU or UK. And also believe that both Westminster & Dublin would rather not own NI. But have inherited the problems from 400 years ago. The main problem is that there are so many enclaves with passionately held beliefs.....and all conflicting with each other. my personal preference is a 3 county NI that is 99% Prod and all still part of the UK forever. No peace walls. No sectarian ghettos. No civil strife. And good relations with all other regions. But sure what would i know ? Edited by PalazioVecchio (01 Mar 2023 5.59pm) inár n-aonar i Anerley, uimhir a haon londain theas
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i would argue that everybody in NI has all the advantages of living in both the UK and ROI.

both passports, both Worlds open to you. EU or UK.

And also believe that both Westminster & Dublin would rather not own NI. But have inherited the problems from 400 years ago.

The main problem is that there are so many enclaves with passionately held beliefs.....and all conflicting with each other.

my personal preference is a 3 county NI that is 99% Prod and all still part of the UK forever. No peace walls. No sectarian ghettos. No civil strife. And good relations with all other regions.

But sure what would i know ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (01 Mar 2023 5.59pm)

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Matov 01 Mar 23 6.06pm
Originally posted by m/k mick In just a few days, the union is safe for quite sometime, Scottish independence on the back burner, and if the Windsor agreement is accepted, the unification of Ireland is history, if they at a later date were offered a vote on unification, would be like turkeys voting for xmas, unification would mean NI becoming part of Europe therefor a border compulsory, all the advantages gone An interesting take. My own view is that this current deal is more to do with helping Sunak fight off a challenge from Johnson before the next election than anything to do with NI itself based on the fact that Sunak can never win a GE. So Starmer comes in and takes us right back into the EU. But we will see. As always, timing is everything and suddenly the EU moving on some pretty significant 'red-lines' only makes sense if you accept they wanted to give Sunak a win. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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01 Mar 23 6.06pm

Originally posted by m/k mick

In just a few days, the union is safe for quite sometime, Scottish independence on the back burner, and if the Windsor agreement is accepted, the unification of Ireland is history, if they at a later date were offered a vote on unification, would be like turkeys voting for xmas, unification would mean NI becoming part of Europe therefor a border compulsory, all the advantages gone

An interesting take.

My own view is that this current deal is more to do with helping Sunak fight off a challenge from Johnson before the next election than anything to do with NI itself based on the fact that Sunak can never win a GE.

So Starmer comes in and takes us right back into the EU.

But we will see.

As always, timing is everything and suddenly the EU moving on some pretty significant 'red-lines' only makes sense if you accept they wanted to give Sunak a win.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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steeleye20 Croydon 01 Mar 23 6.46pm
It will be interesting to see what sticking points emerge but I think this will get over the line. The correct procedure in my view, would have been for the NI leader to have been involved in the process earlier why does this have to be agreed over their heads and then presented to them as a fait accompli. It really depends how bloody minded they wish to be, or if everybody is p****d off with the issue and just wants to move on. The changes are small beer really the EU has been quite cooperative. I am amazed to be agreeing with Rees-Mogg I will take a sedative.
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Croydon 01 Mar 23 6.46pm

It will be interesting to see what sticking points emerge but I think this will get over the line.

The correct procedure in my view, would have been for the NI leader to have been involved in the process earlier why does this have to be agreed over their heads and then presented to them as a fait accompli.

It really depends how bloody minded they wish to be, or if everybody is p****d off with the issue and just wants to move on.

The changes are small beer really the EU has been quite cooperative.

I am amazed to be agreeing with Rees-Mogg I will take a sedative.

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corkery Cork City 01 Mar 23 7.49pm
Is best thing to do with Northern Ireland is to let them pay their own policing bills. The DUP won't back this deal as it means serving under a Fenian. We'll never die
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Cork City 01 Mar 23 7.49pm

Is best thing to do with Northern Ireland is to let them pay their own policing bills. The DUP won't back this deal as it means serving under a Fenian.

We'll never die

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Jacey 02 Mar 23 2.57pm
Sulky Boris apparently not in favour of the deal. Just sour grapes from the clown in chief. [Link] Edited by Jacey (02 Mar 2023 2.57pm)
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02 Mar 23 2.57pm

Sulky Boris apparently not in favour of the deal.
Just sour grapes from the clown in chief.

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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Mar 23 4.08pm
Originally posted by Jacey Sulky Boris apparently not in favour of the deal. Just sour grapes from the clown in chief. [Link] Edited by Jacey (02 Mar 2023 2.57pm) It is just another step by Remainers trying to unravel Brexit. First they conspired to get rid of Boris with the Labour Parties eager assistance, and now this. Wait till Labour get back in power. Then you will see the Remainers really come out from under their rocks. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Mar 2023 4.10pm)
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Originally posted by Jacey

Sulky Boris apparently not in favour of the deal.
Just sour grapes from the clown in chief.

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Edited by Jacey (02 Mar 2023 2.57pm)

It is just another step by Remainers trying to unravel Brexit. First they conspired to get rid of Boris with the Labour Parties eager assistance, and now this.
Wait till Labour get back in power. Then you will see the Remainers really come out from under their rocks.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Mar 2023 4.10pm)

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Matov 02 Mar 23 7.25pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It is just another step by Remainers trying to unravel Brexit. First they conspired to get rid of Boris with the Labour Parties eager assistance, and now this. Wait till Labour get back in power. Then you will see the Remainers really come out from under their rocks. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Mar 2023 4.10pm) 100%. And the more I absorb what has happened, the more I am utterly convinced it has been done to give Sunak the win by way of scuppering Johnson's attempt to come back before the next GE. Johnson is the one who scares Labour the most because the man, despite being the despicable piece of crap he is, does have the magic sauce when it comes to getting the voters out. Sunak is just a place-holder. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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02 Mar 23 7.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Mar 2023 4.10pm)

100%. And the more I absorb what has happened, the more I am utterly convinced it has been done to give Sunak the win by way of scuppering Johnson's attempt to come back before the next GE. Johnson is the one who scares Labour the most because the man, despite being the despicable piece of crap he is, does have the magic sauce when it comes to getting the voters out.

Sunak is just a place-holder.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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