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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Jun 23 12.25pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

There have been several cases where I am recently. My boss just got it. Didn't sound nice either - she got it from the kids. Something that's happening now is people coughing and sneezing are not staying away from people. I had someone coughing all over me on the bus. I could feel it all over the back of my head. What could I do? I didn't really appreciate it but could hardly throw them off. I didn't want to turn around as this ignorant pr1ck would just do it in my face. As you do.

People have relaxed after the WHO declared the pandemic was over. They added the caveat that didn't mean the disease had disappeared but people got the wrong message.

Whilst I have had a persistent dry cough for 3 weeks it's not Covid. I try hard to turn away from others if I must cough in public to avoid the kind of nasty experience you had.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Every claim you make in the above, but one, is untrue. It's not over. It is though summer. I think we can all agree on that. Well done for spotting it.

We will just have to agree to disagree so.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 05 Jun 23 6.44pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

People have relaxed after the WHO declared the pandemic was over. They added the caveat that didn't mean the disease had disappeared but people got the wrong message.

Whilst I have had a persistent dry cough for 3 weeks it's not Covid. I try hard to turn away from others if I must cough in public to avoid the kind of nasty experience you had.

Tbh a dry cough for 3 weeks needs a doctors appointment. Not good we are told by professionals.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Jun 23 8.54pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Tbh a dry cough for 3 weeks needs a doctors appointment. Not good we are told by professionals.

I have been told it's likely to be an allergic reaction to something. The pollen is particularly abundant at the moment. I am not so sure and am certainly thinking of getting it checked out. Thanks for the concern.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 05 Jun 23 9.17pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have been told it's likely to be an allergic reaction to something. The pollen is particularly abundant at the moment. I am not so sure and am certainly thinking of getting it checked out. Thanks for the concern.

Tbh I think concern wouldn’t be just from me. We all know your medical issues from the past. I think you should get checked out asap. I hope it is only an allergy btw.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jun 23 1.12pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Dr John Campbell on the latest lockdown report released from the Institute of Economic Affairs (London)

Lockdowns were a costly failure

COVID-19 lockdowns were ‘a global policy failure of gigantic proportions’.

So much for lawyers and editors eh.

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Jun 23 3.14pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Dr John Campbell on the latest lockdown report released from the Institute of Economic Affairs (London)

Lockdowns were a costly failure

COVID-19 lockdowns were ‘a global policy failure of gigantic proportions’.

So much for lawyers and editors eh.

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It was to be hoped that after "Dr" Campbell was outed as a purveyor of conspiracy theories and misinformation designed to confirm the biases of a particular audience, and enrich himself in the process, that you would stop using him as a source of "information". No such luck. You just cannot help yourself and plough blindly on once your mind is set.

I haven't watched the video or dissected the "report" it's based on. I will let those with more expertise than me do it, and then report their analysis. I have too much else to do right now.

In the meantime, as always, check the source. This "report" is from the "Institute of Economic Affairs". Sounds very official, doesn't it? This where Wiki describes them:-

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They aren't official at all. They are a right-wing pressure group who have previously published climate change denial material, received money from the tobacco industry and advocate for the abolition of the NHS.

Does that not all raise questions about why they would conclude that lockdowns didn't work? Seems more likely they already had the answer and have just be looking for ways to support it.

We'll see when it is taken apart and reviewed.

In the meantime I wouldn't give any weight at all to what "Dr" Campbell has to say about it. I bet he doesn't provide any caveats about the "IEAs" political motivations.

 


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What a terrible response.

The IEA has been around since 1955, what some leftist editors at Wiki think of it is neither here nor there.

From the very link that Wisbech uses is the following to quote:

'In 2007, British journalist Andrew Marr called the IEA "undoubtedly the most influential think tank in modern British history".[25] Damien Cahill, a Professor of Political Economy at the University of Sydney, has characterised the IEA as, "Britain's oldest and leading neoliberal think tank".[9]

In October 2009, the IEA appointed Mark Littlewood as its Director General with effect from 1 December 2009.[26]

How about Wisbech shows where its conclusions are wrong.

Yet while he tells you not to attack his sources but counter the arguments he does the exact reverse himself. Just another example of what a hypocrite he is.

As for Campbell, I suggest people watch the video and then decide for themselves just who the real awful people are.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 07 Jun 23 8.35am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What a terrible response.

The IEA has been around since 1955, what some leftist editors at Wiki think of it is neither here nor there.

From the very link that Wisbech uses is the following to quote:

'In 2007, British journalist Andrew Marr called the IEA "undoubtedly the most influential think tank in modern British history".[25] Damien Cahill, a Professor of Political Economy at the University of Sydney, has characterised the IEA as, "Britain's oldest and leading neoliberal think tank".[9]

In October 2009, the IEA appointed Mark Littlewood as its Director General with effect from 1 December 2009.[26]

How about Wisbech shows where its conclusions are wrong.

Yet while he tells you not to attack his sources but counter the arguments he does the exact reverse himself. Just another example of what a hypocrite he is.

As for Campbell, I suggest people watch the video and then decide for themselves just who the real awful people are.

I know how long it's existed and how influential it is in right-wing circles. Andrew Marr acknowledging that helps us to understand the way the right is operating these days.

Belittling the analysis in Wiki does nothing to undermine it. This is not a "think tank". It is a pressure group. Extracting the quote from Marr needs to be set against all the other things it has done and is doing before evaluating its reliability. So the whole of the Wiki analysis needs to be read.

I haven't read the "report" and won't now. I have another busy day ahead. Interestingly I could not now watch the Campbell video as it has been taken down. I wonder why? Perhaps you can explain?

I will though say this. Any report, let alone one produced by a right-wing pressure group with the reputation of the IEA, that claims that "Lockdowns have been proven a disaster" starts off from completely the wrong position.

Covid was the big disaster. Whatever we did was going to have disastrous consequences. We always knew that. The real question was which was the least worse. Expert opinion decided that locking down represented a better set of outcomes than not locking down.

Looking back now and suggesting that Lockdowns were disastrous only confirms what was predicted. What we don't know is what would have happened if we didn't lockdown. Because we didn't.

So this report looks like some juicy red meat being tossed into the mouths of the prejudiced. Maybe I am wrong and it makes those points. Maybe Campbell pointed it out. We cannot know that as his video has disappeared.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 07 Jun 23 9.33pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I know how long it's existed and how influential it is in right-wing circles. Andrew Marr acknowledging that helps us to understand the way the right is operating these days.

Belittling the analysis in Wiki does nothing to undermine it. This is not a "think tank". It is a pressure group. Extracting the quote from Marr needs to be set against all the other things it has done and is doing before evaluating its reliability. So the whole of the Wiki analysis needs to be read.

I haven't read the "report" and won't now. I have another busy day ahead. Interestingly I could not now watch the Campbell video as it has been taken down. I wonder why? Perhaps you can explain?

I will though say this. Any report, let alone one produced by a right-wing pressure group with the reputation of the IEA, that claims that "Lockdowns have been proven a disaster" starts off from completely the wrong position.

Covid was the big disaster. Whatever we did was going to have disastrous consequences. We always knew that. The real question was which was the least worse. Expert opinion decided that locking down represented a better set of outcomes than not locking down.

Looking back now and suggesting that Lockdowns were disastrous only confirms what was predicted. What we don't know is what would have happened if we didn't lockdown. Because we didn't.

So this report looks like some juicy red meat being tossed into the mouths of the prejudiced. Maybe I am wrong and it makes those points. Maybe Campbell pointed it out. We cannot know that as his video has disappeared.


Really?


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 07 Jun 23 11.13pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


Really?


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Yes really.

That piece adds nothing to what isn't already known. No piece of this kind can because there is no actual statistics to make comparisons with. It's easy to demonstrate the probable cost of lockdowns but impossible to do anything other than speculate about the cost of not locking down.

As the piece admits the IEA report has its critics. You bet it does! It's pure politics.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Yes really.

That piece adds nothing to what isn't already known. No piece of this kind can because there is no actual statistics to make comparisons with. It's easy to demonstrate the probable cost of lockdowns but impossible to do anything other than speculate about the cost of not locking down.

As the piece admits the IEA report has its critics. You bet it does! It's pure politics.

Sweden doesn't count then. We were told lockdowns were to "protect the NHS". How did that work out?

 

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