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Wisbech Eagle Online Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 23 11.33am | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Yes they couldnt have done all thier Tik Tok dancing videos without the lockdowns. *Rolls eyes* There wasn't much dancing at our local hospital. Just a lot of sick people and a very stressed staff. They still are stressed.
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Teddy Eagle 08 Jun 23 11.37am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's the point, isn't it? There is no evidence for something that didn't happen, which is why it's so easy to point at things that did and make assumptions. We know all the things that you list. What we don't know is whether things would have been better, or worse, not doing them. If the initial consensus of the experts was that locking down was the safest route, then that was the right decision. Experts almost certainly get more things right than non-experts. Experts like Ferguson who resigned after breaking the rules because he thought he was immune after having caught it once?
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Eden Eagle Kent 08 Jun 23 12.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's the point, isn't it? There is no evidence for something that didn't happen, which is why it's so easy to point at things that did and make assumptions. We know all the things that you list. What we don't know is whether things would have been better, or worse, not doing them. If the initial consensus of the experts was that locking down was the safest route, then that was the right decision. Experts almost certainly get more things right than non-experts. Once again WE I will remind you that there are direct comparisons from the US between states which took very different strategies but you choose to consistently ignore this as it does not support your continued lockdown zealotry. More open minded and less blinkered people might reflect on the growing evidence emerging that perhaps shutting down society for nigh on 2 years was a terrible mistake.
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Teddy Eagle 08 Jun 23 12.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Eden Eagle
Once again WE I will remind you that there are direct comparisons from the US between states which took very different strategies but you choose to consistently ignore this as it does not support your continued lockdown zealotry. More open minded and less blinkered people might reflect on the growing evidence emerging that perhaps shutting down society for nigh on 2 years was a terrible mistake. And the effects will be felt for years.
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Teddy Eagle 08 Jun 23 1.21pm | |
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Wisbech Eagle Online Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 23 5.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Experts like Ferguson who resigned after breaking the rules because he thought he was immune after having caught it once? I think he was just stupid rather than believing he is immune. When I see people quoting some of the things he said at the time and claiming because they weren't seen, they were wrong I get appalled at the way they reach conclusions. They were never predictions. They were a range of possible scenarios based on detailed modelling using the data available at the time, which was limited. There will always be a worst-case scenario and governments must prepare for a worst-case scenario, without expecting it will actually happen. That's why we got the Nightingale hospitals and why the public were alerted to the potential threat
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Wisbech Eagle Online Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 23 5.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Eden Eagle
Once again WE I will remind you that there are direct comparisons from the US between states which took very different strategies but you choose to consistently ignore this as it does not support your continued lockdown zealotry. More open minded and less blinkered people might reflect on the growing evidence emerging that perhaps shutting down society for nigh on 2 years was a terrible mistake. US states are themselves different. What works in Florida won't necessarily be replicated elsewhere. More importantly, though we are very different to the USA, both in demographics and climate. You simply cannot draw any conclusions based on such false comparisons.
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Wisbech Eagle Online Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 23 5.15pm | |
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I don't doubt we will have learned a lot and should an identical pandemic strike in the future will modify our approach. However, hindsight is always a wonderful thing. You can only know what you know at the time. Learning is fine. Claiming you knew when you were guessing isn't.
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georgenorman 08 Jun 23 5.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
US states are themselves different. What works in Florida won't necessarily be replicated elsewhere. More importantly, though we are very different to the USA, both in demographics and climate. You simply cannot draw any conclusions based on such false comparisons. Sturgeon’s much stricter Covid rules did not keep Scotland’s deaths below England’s.
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Wisbech Eagle Online Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 23 5.17pm | |
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Of course, is true, but not the point. Children have years ahead to recover. Those who might have died if we didn't lockdown would just be dead.
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Teddy Eagle 08 Jun 23 5.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I think he was just stupid rather than believing he is immune. When I see people quoting some of the things he said at the time and claiming because they weren't seen, they were wrong I get appalled at the way they reach conclusions. They were never predictions. They were a range of possible scenarios based on detailed modelling using the data available at the time, which was limited. There will always be a worst-case scenario and governments must prepare for a worst-case scenario, without expecting it will actually happen. That's why we got the Nightingale hospitals and why the public were alerted to the potential threat Hopefully we've found an another expert who isn't stupid. Every one of Ferguson's projections has been wrong by miles.
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Teddy Eagle 08 Jun 23 5.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course, is true, but not the point. Children have years ahead to recover. Those who might have died if we didn't lockdown would just be dead. So what happens during the next flu epidemic? Another lockdown?
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