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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 23 9.12pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

How about the information that COVID isn't the plague we were told it was?

What information do you think that is?

I never heard it described as a plaque. It isn’t one.

It’s a dangerous viral disease that is proving both stubborn and has long term impacts.

Ignoring it would have been a total disaster.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 10 Jun 23 9.19pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That’s where the laziness lies. In the link. Ferguson did not predict that at all. He stated it as a worst case scenario which is very different.

Decisions weren’t taken on one man’s analysis but on the consensus view of the world’s experts.

It was determined as the best course of action in the circumstances at the time. Knowing that there would be consequences but that other options would be worse.

And they were wrong. Which is why there won't be any more lockdowns. The experts have no credibility.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 10 Jun 23 9.30pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What information do you think that is?

I never heard it described as a plaque. It isn’t one.

It’s a dangerous viral disease that is proving both stubborn and has long term impacts.

Ignoring it would have been a total disaster.

No it wouldn't. I had it as did most people I know (odd since we were in lockdown at the time) and felt rough for a few days. The threat to life for those under 65 was miniscule.

 

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eaglesdare Flag 10 Jun 23 9.47pm Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It seems you missed the bit about new evidence!

New evidence.....most vaccines don't stop transmission and never have! Fact!

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 23 10.39pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

And they were wrong. Which is why there won't be any more lockdowns. The experts have no credibility.

I hope they aren't needed again for a long time, but if a set of circumstances arises that demands they be used, they will be.

As I have said several times the messaging may well have to be modified to overcome the negative impression that has been spread. It's just too easy to criticise when there is nothing to actually compare with. It's another example of jam tomorrow, of the next field being greener, or the opposition always having more effective answers. You can do anything in theory. Doing it for real is the hard task.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 23 10.47pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

New evidence.....most vaccines don't stop transmission and never have! Fact!

Pay attention! It was the arrival of the variants which were found to be more transmissible. ChatGPT explains it rather well:-

"COVID-19 vaccines have been shown to be effective in reducing the transmission of the original strain of the virus, although the extent of their impact on transmission can vary. Here's what we know based on available evidence:

Reduced transmission: COVID-19 vaccines, such as those developed by Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, AstraZeneca, and Johnson & Johnson, have demonstrated significant efficacy in preventing symptomatic and severe illness caused by the original strain of the virus. By reducing the severity of the disease, vaccines can indirectly contribute to reducing the transmission of the virus, as vaccinated individuals are less likely to become infected and spread it to others.

Asymptomatic transmission: Vaccinated individuals who do become infected with the virus, even if they don't develop symptoms (asymptomatic cases), may have a lower viral load and shed less virus compared to unvaccinated individuals. This suggests that vaccines can also help reduce asymptomatic transmission, although it may not eliminate it entirely.

Variants of concern: The effectiveness of vaccines against new variants of the virus, such as the Alpha, Beta, Gamma, and Delta variants, may vary. While vaccines continue to offer a significant level of protection against severe illness, hospitalization, and death caused by these variants, some studies have shown reduced efficacy in preventing mild or moderate symptomatic infection with certain variants. However, even if vaccines may be somewhat less effective against specific variants, they still provide important protection and can help limit the spread of the virus.

Population-level impact: The overall impact of vaccines on reducing transmission depends on the coverage and effectiveness of vaccination campaigns, along with other factors like vaccine hesitancy, adherence to public health measures, and the emergence of new variants. Achieving high vaccination rates across populations is crucial for maximizing the impact on transmission and reducing the overall burden of the disease.

It's important to note that research on COVID-19 and its vaccines is ongoing, and new information continues to emerge. The effectiveness of vaccines in reducing transmission can be influenced by various factors, and further studies are being conducted to better understand their impact on different strains and variants of the virus."

 


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eaglesdare Flag 10 Jun 23 10.57pm Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Zombie Joe said taking the vaccine was a way of stopping transmission, misinformation right from the top. He said, words to the effect, that if you didn't take the vaccine you were likely to die.

Now lots of people have died, since this virus turned up, both vaccined and unvaccinated and from the consequences of lockdowns or whatever it is. So I don't speak for others but personally I've never been fitter.

My personal observation is that a lot depended upon your weight and the natural robustness of your health.

Yes same here I had covid twice and after the 10th day Iwas back in the gym not a bother on me.

Even my Nannie in her 80s had it and never vaccinated and was fine. She was back in her prayer group in no time.

 

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eaglesdare Flag 10 Jun 23 10.58pm Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Pay attention! It was the arrival of the variants which were found to be more transmissible. ChatGPT explains it rather well:-

"COVID-19 vaccines have been shown to be effective in reducing the transmission of the original strain of the virus, although the extent of their impact on transmission can vary. Here's what we know based on available evidence:

Reduced transmission: COVID-19 vaccines, such as those developed by Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, AstraZeneca, and Johnson & Johnson, have demonstrated significant efficacy in preventing symptomatic and severe illness caused by the original strain of the virus. By reducing the severity of the disease, vaccines can indirectly contribute to reducing the transmission of the virus, as vaccinated individuals are less likely to become infected and spread it to others.

Asymptomatic transmission: Vaccinated individuals who do become infected with the virus, even if they don't develop symptoms (asymptomatic cases), may have a lower viral load and shed less virus compared to unvaccinated individuals. This suggests that vaccines can also help reduce asymptomatic transmission, although it may not eliminate it entirely.

Variants of concern: The effectiveness of vaccines against new variants of the virus, such as the Alpha, Beta, Gamma, and Delta variants, may vary. While vaccines continue to offer a significant level of protection against severe illness, hospitalization, and death caused by these variants, some studies have shown reduced efficacy in preventing mild or moderate symptomatic infection with certain variants. However, even if vaccines may be somewhat less effective against specific variants, they still provide important protection and can help limit the spread of the virus.

Population-level impact: The overall impact of vaccines on reducing transmission depends on the coverage and effectiveness of vaccination campaigns, along with other factors like vaccine hesitancy, adherence to public health measures, and the emergence of new variants. Achieving high vaccination rates across populations is crucial for maximizing the impact on transmission and reducing the overall burden of the disease.

It's important to note that research on COVID-19 and its vaccines is ongoing, and new information continues to emerge. The effectiveness of vaccines in reducing transmission can be influenced by various factors, and further studies are being conducted to better understand their impact on different strains and variants of the virus."

So what your saying is whatever fits the agenda at the time....


Edited by eaglesdare (10 Jun 2023 10.59pm)

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 23 11.05pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

So what your saying is whatever fits the agenda at the time....


Edited by eaglesdare (10 Jun 2023 10.59pm)

Is that your conclusion? Seriously?

You really don't get this at all do you?

You just think that because you, like most others, only suffered relatively mild symptoms and your nanny did too, you can apply those experiences to everyone.

It doesn't work like that!

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Jun 23 11.18pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Yes same here I had covid twice and after the 10th day Iwas back in the gym not a bother on me.

Even my Nannie in her 80s had it and never vaccinated and was fine. She was back in her prayer group in no time.

Yep, while these words won't help those who lost loved ones the vast majority of people young and old, vaccinated or not, who contracted this virus survived.....though we recognise those that still suffer the after effects.

However, the excess deaths that have been ongoing needs serious attention and we need questions on why it's not being taken with the seriousness it deserves.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jun 2023 11.19pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Jun 23 11.23pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Where is the evidence from these companies that these vaccines ever effectively stopped transmission as, if I remember correctly, what was stated in Congress that this testing wasn't actually carried out.

But if it's proven to me that the original vaccines effectively reduced transmission of the original virus then I'll accept that point.

However an AI program isn't evidence.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jun 2023 1.51am)

 


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eaglesdare Flag 10 Jun 23 11.55pm Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Is that your conclusion? Seriously?

You really don't get this at all do you?

You just think that because you, like most others, only suffered relatively mild symptoms and your nanny did too, you can apply those experiences to everyone.

It doesn't work like that!

Vaccines never stopped transmissions. Fact.

Over 90 percent of people maybe 99 percent of people had mild symptoms.

Surely your lord and master sleepy joe was right that getting the covid vaccine stopped transmissions? Surely this was a fact?

At the end of the day in terms of covid it's only a fact if it fits an agenda.

Whatever comes out after is just covering one's own backside. Oh we didint know... The science evolved. Absolute BS. Just trying to justify or the old "we were just following orders" at the time.

 

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