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View Swindy's Profile Swindy Flag Bromley 05 Feb 23 12.17pm Send a Private Message to Swindy Add Swindy as a friend

Yes Willo,
That would be 4 seasons ago so I think I was 1 season out !

 

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View Palacesince64's Profile Palacesince64 Flag Edinburgh 05 Feb 23 12.21pm Send a Private Message to Palacesince64 Add Palacesince64 as a friend

Originally posted by Bexley Eagle

Is that a serious comment? So you donít think the likes of Geuhi, Anderson, Olise, Eze, Doucoure arenít now worth more than we payed for them?
And even the 2 forwards could be classed as a PL punt at their purchase prices. I still think that with the right service Odsonne and JP will score goals.

I hope youíre right! They need game time and a run as a front pairing while Zaha is injured is worth a shout. If they start scoring and Jimmy Mac is fit to play weíll be fine. Two big ďiffsĒ though.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 05 Feb 23 12.24pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

We can't score goals - the usual problem without Wilf, and also often with Wilf. The obvious answer - forwards are poor. Wilf is our best but can't play centrally.
As for lack of service - there needs to be someone in the box making a run. There rarely is. I've noticed our players lack of movement for years - most noticeable this season. We are bottom of the league for distance covered, and it shows.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 05 Feb 23 1.03pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Bexley Eagle

Is that a serious comment? So you donít think the likes of Geuhi, Anderson, Olise, Eze, Doucoure arenít now worth more than we payed for them?
And even the 2 forwards could be classed as a PL punt at their purchase prices. I still think that with the right service Odsonne and JP will score goals.

so its not the players, is it.

 


Does anyone know the way? Did we hear someone say?
(We just haven't got a clue what to do!)
Does anyone know the way? There's got to be a way, to Blockbuster


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 05 Feb 23 1.05pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Swindy

Lanzo Ad,
Get your head out of the sand, this team needs additional investment on top of that !!

Swindy, get your head out of the sand, we need a decent manager

 


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(We just haven't got a clue what to do!)
Does anyone know the way? There's got to be a way, to Blockbuster


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Feb 23 1.14pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad


Swindy, get your head out of the sand, we need a decent manager

Some will of have an alternative viewpoint but what I would assert about Lanzo is that he is consistent and unequivocal in his messaging and is sticking to it akin to 'Wrigleys' on a 'Jimmy Choo'.

Edited by Willo (05 Feb 2023 1.15pm)

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 05 Feb 23 1.20pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Rubbish, 122m and a good manager would have spent it better.

You dont seem to understand, Vieira doesnt buy the players, Freeman does. Its the same at every other Premier club.

How would you of spent the money, 15 new players have been brought in since June 21.

 

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View Swindy's Profile Swindy Flag Bromley 05 Feb 23 1.20pm Send a Private Message to Swindy Add Swindy as a friend

Whoever it is they need to be properly financed at this level to compete properly !!!!! & Parish isnít up to it, he managed to get us webbed up with 2 American Ďinvestorsí who wonít and clearly he isnít great in the direction of attracting/maintaining new investment.
Guardiola etc would struggle to improve the current squad with the lack of investment !!
It really isnít difficult to grasp Lanzo Ad.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 05 Feb 23 1.24pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

You dont seem to understand, Vieira doesnt buy the players, Freeman does. Its the same at every other Premier club.

How would you of spent the money, 15 new players have been brought in since June 21.

I tried to point this out to Lanzo with a humorous analogy but it appears to have gone right over his head. It's all Vieira's fault.

 

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View Vectis's Profile Vectis Flag 05 Feb 23 1.29pm Send a Private Message to Vectis Add Vectis as a friend

As I wrote on the Man Utd match thread, trying to play stylish possession based football is all very commendable, but you need the right players to do it. This team has not got enough of them to do it successfully. PV may have taken the job on the basis that he change the style of football, but this disregards the lack of adequate recruitment of such players needed. A good manager works with what he is given. Roy did so for 4 years with almost no backing in the transfer market. After only a week, Dyche has turned a disorganised collection of players at Everton into a team that beat the previously almost unstoppable league leaders. He previously took Burnley into Europe. Many sneer at the style these type of managers employ, but itís pragmatic and gets results even if not pretty.

I think PV is too influenced by his time at Man City, where they do have the quality of players to play the expansive passing style of football. Trying to impose that on the squad at Palace is just not working often enough. Sure, there is the odd game when it comes together, but overall results show itís not sufficient. Swansea tried and ultimately failed to use this approach to stay in the Premier. FDB had similar ideas and look how that turned out.

Turning the clock way back, Malcolm Allison had grand ideas of expansive football being played by Palace. I remember he even wanted to widen the pitch at Selhurst to give more room for passing down the wings. He was a highly regarded coach that also coincidentally had spent a successful spell at Man City. It was all a fine and commendable ambition, but again didnít match the capabilities of the players at his disposal. Sure there were exciting times when it occasionally all came together, such as the FA Cup run in 1976, but ultimately what Allison achieved were successive relegations from the First Division/Premier to the Third Division/League One. He then failed two years in a row to get promoted back out of the third tier. Now I know this was back in the 1970s and many will say itís ancient history. But as the saying goes Ďthose who fail to study history are doomed to repeat ití and if the current board and management continue the way they are it could all happen over again.

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 05 Feb 23 1.31pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Swindy

Whoever it is they need to be properly financed at this level to compete properly !!!!! & Parish isnít up to it, he managed to get us webbed up with 2 American Ďinvestorsí who wonít and clearly he isnít great in the direction of attracting/maintaining new investment.
Guardiola etc would struggle to improve the current squad with the lack of investment !!
It really isnít difficult to grasp Lanzo Ad.

Its not as simple, as just saying being financed properly and throwing money at everything. Everton tried that, West Ham tried that and both have been frequent visitors to the relegation zone. How much money have spent since Ferguson left about £1.2 billion, only now with a decent manager are they getting back to where they were.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Feb 23 1.33pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Vectis

As I wrote on the Man Utd match thread, trying to play stylish possession based football is all very commendable, but you need the right players to do it. This team has not got enough of them to do it successfully. PV may have taken the job on the basis that he change the style of football, but this disregards the lack of adequate recruitment of such players needed. A good manager works with what he is given. Roy did so for 4 years with almost no backing in the transfer market. After only a week, Dyche has turned a disorganised collection of players at Everton into a team that beat the previously almost unstoppable league leaders. He previously took Burnley into Europe. Many sneer at the style these type of managers employ, but itís pragmatic and gets results even if not pretty.

I think PV is too influenced by his time at Man City, where they do have the quality of players to play the expansive passing style of football. Trying to impose that on the squad at Palace is just not working often enough. Sure, there is the odd game when it comes together, but overall results show itís not sufficient. Swansea tried and ultimately failed to use this approach to stay in the Premier. FDB had similar ideas and look how that turned out.

Turning the clock way back, Malcolm Allison had grand ideas of expansive football being played by Palace. I remember he even wanted to widen the pitch at Selhurst to give more room for passing down the wings. He was a highly regarded coach that also coincidentally had spent a successful spell at Man City. It was all a fine and commendable ambition, but again didnít match the capabilities of the players at his disposal. Sure there were exciting times when it occasionally all came together, such as the FA Cup run in 1976, but ultimately what Allison achieved were successive relegations from the First Division/Premier to the Third Division/League One. He then failed two years in a row to get promoted back out of the third tier. Now I know this was back in the 1970s and many will say itís ancient history. But as the saying goes Ďthose who fail to study history are doomed to repeat ití and if the current board and management continue the way they are it could all happen over again.

A commendable contribution to the discussion.
I doff my hat.

 

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